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    Read through the posts and I have seen alot of very mixed reviews of the Kahr line. I'll just add my story by saying that I decided on a P9 for conceal, and after finding what had to be the only one in my part of the state, the sportman's warehouse gun counter guy and I began on the paperwork, when I started looking the gun over carefully, and stripped it down, to find that the polymer 'rails' that run front to back on the top of the frame were a little chewed up! There was a good sized scallop of material missing from one of the rails, as though it was nicked with a dremel or something, and small galling running lengthwise on the rails, as well as stringy polymer shavings present at the top of the frame made me say no thanks!

    I have since had a local Sportman's Warehouse locate one from out of state, and ship it here. The gun is very tight by first impression. I really like the Kahrs, but why the hit or miss in the quality department? And for such a price, right up there with high quality guns, you would expect something a little better. Someone mentioned in their post that they had problems, but knew that Kahr would make it right. Don't you want to buy a gun that IS right, and right out of the box?!

    I don't think I'd be satisfied by getting my gun back from the factory with a few things replaced with some polishing done, it would just make me wonder what was wrong before, and why!

    I also heard that Kahr suggested to another customer that he oil the gun in a different manner and try loaing one less round to get the mags to work properly. WHAT??!!!! If you bought a gun that's 6+1, then that's what you should get, you shouldn't have to compromise a round to get it to work right.

    Sure seems pricey for spotty quality, Hope mine works out well for me!!

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    I was looking at Kahr as well. The slide on the one I checked out would stick halfway when racking and releasing it. I put it back down on the counter, said thanks to the salesman and continued my search.

    On another Kahr I looked at the slide release could not be moved while the slide was locked back and the slide action felt and sounded like an old washboard. Kahr wants you to cycle 200+ rounds just to get it to function properly. Good thing same doesn't hold true about new car brakes!

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    Buck..glad you enjoy the posts..infrequent as they are. But these are just my real world thoughts. Now to calm some fears...am I busting Kahrs butt? Yes..some things they need to address. But all in all they offer up the most concealable package with the most horsepower. I like the Glocks..go bang every time. But it's like trying to hide a 2X6. This won't work. Same goes for many of the so-called "concealed guns." And...yes I know many of you can conceal a full-sized 1911. I can't. My work wardrobe is 8oz. white uniforms. I'm a baker. White shirt, white pants and an apron and a paper hat. When I walk into a gun shop I'm dressed in a T-shirt and a pair of jeans or cut-off jean shorts. If I can't conceal that handgun within' these perimiters... then it serves me no use whatsoever. At that point it's just jewelery layed out in a gun safe or tucked into a drawer. I read recently where someone said they thought the Judge was the perfect concealed carry handgun. WTH??? I guess if yer dressed in robes..a court judge or a Hari-Chrisna perhaps. There's a gun that serves absoloutly no purpose that I can imagine. If you can conceal a gun that size...I'd reccomend a stubby shotgun..12ga. and 3in. mag at least. And...I have a problem with the 9mm. chambering. It simply doesn't work. Now if it works upon presentation of defense..fine. Poke it in their face and hope they don't call ye on it. We have a problem if they do. This round sucks. I'd trust my life to a .22 longrifle before the 9mm. JMHO of course. Audie..the Old...

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    OF. Understood on the 9mm, I feel differently and that is why there are different rounds. I choose the 9mm due to my belief that in the last 20+ years ammo manufacturers have come a long, long way in upgrading the 9mm. But that is neither here nor there.

    Bottom line is you have to feel confident in your abilities and gun handling. I am not comfortable with a .40 or any thing larger due mostly to my tolerance in recoil. Call me a sissy but I know that if I pull out my Beretta, Kahr or LCP and have to use it I will be much more accurate and have the confidence in handling it in a live fire situation in .380 or 9mm than I would with a .40+

    I have not had the poor experience with my Kahr as you have indicated. As mentioned in one of my previous posts, I had a couple of issues with fail to feed during the break-in period but nothing since then. It seems to eat anything I have placed in the magazine. I have used FMJ - WWB, Blazer, Federal, American and some blue box stuff out of Brazil (name escapes me at the moment). For SD rounds I use , Federal Premium SXT 147 grains.

    My EDC gun is a Beretta PX4sc, Kahr PM9 then an LCP. It all depends on what clothes I am wearing or can wear on that day. Being in MT, I am fortunate to be able to wear jeans, polo/button up shirt and either a vest or very light jacket for most times of the year. The exception being hot summer then shorts or a polo shirt with my LCP either in a front pocket or cargo pocket.

    I am not a big person at 5'9 and 200 pounds but I have been able to conceal fairly well.

    Just a thought, you might also look at the Springfield Armory XD or XDM line.

    Keep up your search and you WILL find exactly what you are looking for.

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    Yeah check out an XD! I almost got a XD-9 sub compact for conceal, but in the end wanted a slimmer Kahr. "thin is sexy"...... but sometimes short and chunky can get ya goin too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrCelica View Post
    I've heard some mixed reviews about Kahr's reliability. So I would like to hear from people that actually own a Kahr as to how reliable they are. If you had to do it over again, would you still buy a Kahr?
    I have had a Kahr P9 for about a year, and it has been completely flawless! It is more accurate than it should be for a carry gun. Even at distances her than Self Defense range. I do however prefer an all metal gun so I will wind up with the K9, or the T9 ultimately. Great weapons don't hesitate. Additionally I like the fact that they are all American made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart1956 View Post
    And...I have a problem with the 9mm. chambering. It simply doesn't work. Now if it works upon presentation of defense..fine. Poke it in their face and hope they don't call ye on it. We have a problem if they do. This round sucks. I'd trust my life to a .22 longrifle before the 9mm. JMHO of course. Audie..the Old...
    Audie,

    I'm an old , too (a '51 model, actually), and although .45 ACP is my preferred SD round, I have to speak up for the 9mm, which I also pack quite often.

    I think it is an ideal caliber for a small carry gun, and completely adequate for anyone that can hit where they aim. Ask a paramedic, or an ER doctor, and they will verify that 9mm turns vital organs to mush, just as surely as the larger calibers. A hot 9mm load with a modern hollow point is nothing to scoff at.

    And...a .22 LR, fired from a rifle, might be a formidable projectile under some circumstances, but the same round fired from small handgun would likely just piss off a meth head.

    Now, if you want to bash .380s, I might help ya.

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    Of the Kahr's I've seen.. I can say they're certainly carry-friendly.. Wasn't too crazy about the trigger curve/shape, but the trigger pull is the sweetness. I'd probably be happy with either 9mm or .45 in a nice carry-Kahr of some model #.. Hard to tell the difference in them without having them infront of you. Held a .45 that to me was positively tiny.. except for the price of course.

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    Well, finally had my first run to the range with my brand new p-9. I shot 200 rds of pmc through it with 1 FTF around the 30th shot, and not a single problem beyond that! What an accurate gun, too. I couldn't be more happy. I do think that I'll have to get a slip on grip, though as the handle feels a little thin to me, and with as light weight as the polymer gun is, it tends to slip out of the grip at times when being fired. Any suggestions?.... what about the 'agrip' that Kahr sells on their site?

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    Congrats......

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    My PM-45 is doing quite well. 250 rounds of mixed cheap 230gr ammo and almost 100 rounds of Double Tap 185gr GDHPs.

    My first time out I fired it at a 25 yard target. The very first bullet fired hit within an inch of the bullseye. I knew I was going to like this pistol right then.

    No kidding, first shot 25 yards...

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    remind me to stay away from you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFZsandrider View Post
    remind me to stay away from you!
    Just don't try to kill me, and we will be great friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FHBrumb View Post
    My PM-45 is doing quite well. 250 rounds of mixed cheap 230gr ammo and almost 100 rounds of Double Tap 185gr GDHPs.

    My first time out I fired it at a 25 yard target. The very first bullet fired hit within an inch of the bullseye. I knew I was going to like this pistol right then.

    No kidding, first shot 25 yards...
    Wow. I am impressed! 25 yards!!!

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    I did the same thing and it was being filmed. After wacthing it I learned it was a ricochet. lol

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    Kahr reliability? Hmmm. Here's the deal. I work at a gun shop and sell most brands of firearms out there. Customers are always asking if a brand is good or bad; reliable or not reliable. The facts are that we have had returns of guns with some minor problem from every manufacturer out there, from time to time.
    The Kahrs have rated among very high in terms of being reliable, especially after the recommended 200 rnd break in period. Kahr makes a statement reguarding the break in and all the other makers should as well! It's not smart to trust your life on a new gun without going out and putting at least 500 rnds thru it to make sure it works.
    It's just common sense, and I for one commend Kahr for passing that common sense on to the public. Most other makers don't. I have a P45, and after about 1,500 rnds the first 2 weeks of ownership, I have not had one single failure. I cannot say that for my Kimbers, Colts, S&Ws, Glocks, H&Ks, or any other semi I have had. Not that they are not good guns, but any make may need a little tweeking to run well, from time to time.
    I will say the most failures reported from customers have come from T*%#@s!
    Things like safeties falling off, magazines falling out when locked in during firing, slide releases breaking, sights falling off, etc. And don't get me started on their revolvers. about 30% of their guns come back for repairs during the first month of ownership, or to trade for something that does work.
    After 30 years of carring some really nice 1911s, I am now carring a Kahr; and use my 1911s for plinking, with my Kahr in a belt holster.
    I like um!

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    Happy Kahr Owner

    I've put about 500 FMJ down range on my P9 in it's first month.

    Except for a failure to chamber on the first magazine (I did it wrong ), this thing has been flawless.

    Havn't looked back.

    Have a IWB holster being made by K&D Holsters and this will be my 100% carry.

    frjeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by frjeff View Post
    I've put about 500 FMJ down range on my P9 in it's first month.

    Except for a failure to chamber on the first magazine (I did it wrong ), this thing has been flawless.

    Havn't looked back.

    Have a IWB holster being made by K&D Holsters and this will be my 100% carry.

    frjeff
    Yup! nearly the exact same story with me. Waiting on a IWB holster form Kramer. should get any day now, It's been about 8 weeks, which is what they said the wait was. Mine too will be my only carry. What exactly are you getting from K&D?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFZsandrider View Post
    Yup! nearly the exact same story with me. Waiting on a IWB holster form Kramer. should get any day now, It's been about 8 weeks, which is what they said the wait was. Mine too will be my only carry. What exactly are you getting from K&D?
    Have the Dakota Defender on order. It will be late Sept. or so before I get it.
    That should be about the same time (with the lengthy delays) that I actually get my CHL plastic.

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    My little MK9 Elite has been 100% reliable since I got it, It is easy to conceal and supprisingly accurate for a small gun.

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