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    HadEmAll is offline Junior Member
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    My feelings on Kahrs are mixed:

    11 year old satin-nickel K40, never a failure of any type. All 165 and 180 grain FMJ, and 135, 155, 165, and 180 grain JHP.

    I heard lots of horror stories about the early P-series, hardly ever heard about any problems with the K-series.

    I've heard about much less trouble with the CW-series, which is the cheaper plastic line. Go figure.

    2 week old CW40, no failures in 300 rounds of mixed 165 grain FJM and 155 JHP. Did wear a hole in the skin at the base of my thumb from some sharp plastic edges that are now gently rounded.

    The plastic frame had a lot of plastic "fuzz" that I had to remove with a razor blade. Pretty shoddy workmanship I thought, but a nice, light, powerful companion to my K40.

    My brother just bought a black stainless K40 at the same show I bought my CW40 at, and is having terrible problems with it. He'd fired my K40 the previous week, and liked it a lot.

    His problems:

    Feels like the slide is running on grinding compound, instead of on ball bearing like mine feels.

    Many misfires. Trigger acts like it doesn't get cocked when the slide retracted.

    Won't fire the last round in either of the two magazines, no matter how many rounds he starts with. The round gets chambered, but will not strike a blow to the primer.

    I was embarrased for recommending Kahr. I'm not sure I'd do it again.

    I know they'll make good on it, but where the heck is the quality control?

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    Update:
    My brother's K40 is back from the factory, and is working perfectly. He just bought a CW9 last weekend, and it is also working perfectly, so after some initial misery with his K40, he has two good-working Kahrs, as I do.

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    I have had my MK9 for about four years several hundreded rounds and keeps on running. I carry every day, I would not do so if IDid"nt trust it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ge0624me View Post
    like ozark10, i 2 just got rid of my p3at ,thought i was going to keep this one a long time but ,i got tired of reliability issues ftf's, stovepipes etc, i went for the pm9, i havent even taken it to the range yet but i am already noticing the 1st round issue about,the failing to to go into battery, the only way mine chambers right with a full mag is if the slide is locked back and i ,and quick slide release it, if you manualy pull slide back to chamber it doesnt fully chamber, dont know if any body makes a exxcellent pocket sized semi?
    I suggest that you try reading the manual FIRST before posting. You're doing it all wrong according to the manual if you're trying to slingshot the first round.

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    Of the three Kahrs that I have owned, a PM-9, a P-45, and a K-9, the P-45 was the only one that ever had a failure. Once I finished the break-in period, and found out which ammo it liked, it never 'belched' again.

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    With Kahr, it's all about the break in. they say atleast 300-500 rds before you should consider it reliable. i have a CW9 and at first I was haveing some FTF but the more rds i get down rane with the better it is.

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    I just bought a slightly used CW40 and Im having problems with it ejecting live rounds... Has anyone else had this problem and what can I do to fix this. Thanks

    Tyler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolinaxd45 View Post
    I just bought a slightly used CW40 and Im having problems with it ejecting live rounds... Has anyone else had this problem and what can I do to fix this. Thanks

    Tyler
    Don't worry about the live rounds. Try shooting it and I think you'll find it works fine.

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    I picked-up a new PM45 about two months ago, and my results haven't been spectacular.

    At first, I would have at least one FTE or FTF per magazine. That said, Kahr's break-in period states that 200 rounds are necessary to ensure smooth operation, and it did happen less as I got higher in the round count. I'm at about 500 now, and it still happens on a rare occasion. I'm trying to determine if it's something with the choice of ammo, my grip, or the gun itself.

    Also, after about 200 rounds, the PM45 started dropping the mag between the fourth and fifth round with EVERY magazine. I'd call it a fluke, but the same week, my buddy who also bought a PM45 started having the identical problem. He called it in; Kahr sent him a new mag catch with a harder push against the mag release spring. I sent mine back to the factory; they included the new mag catch, polished the feed ramp (which was already like glass from the factory, not sure why they felt the need to do it), and they added what appears to be a couple of small strips of black electrician's tape to the inside of the grip to create friction against the magazine. Needless to say, I'm a bit disappointed in the type of repair made, but since getting it back, it hasn't dropped any mags while shooting. It still gives me an occasional FTF or FTE.

    Right now, I'm thinking about picking up a Walther PPS. If I like the PPS, I'll probably end-up selling the Kahr (with full disclosure); it just doesn't seem to like me that much.

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    After getting the bugs worked out and breaking it in Im really starting to like my cw40, it hasn't failed me yet and I would trust it for my carry..

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    I've just purchased a pm9 and put 500 rounds through without a single jam. This is one great little piece. I have a Springfiield Armory 1911 .45 I love, but now the Kahr .45 is on the short list. These guns are bad ass.

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    My Kahr is going to be a mistress.

    I am fairly new to guns but have immersed myself in studying and learning. My goal at first was to find the one that I could marry. I got my CCW and am still waiting on it.

    I have a PM40 and she is HOT..
    I heard about her and how hot she was and all, so I asked her out and we hit it off really well. I was thinking this was a dream come true, I am gonna have the hottest wife in town! Well, once she had me hooked and she knew it she went psycho on me. This was evident with our first trip to the range. There was not a single disfunction this gal did not have. I figured well, she is so hot I guess I will keep working on this and see if we can get things worked out.

    Sure enough after sending her to the shrink, getting her medicated and putting a good 500 rounds of ball in her she started to smooth out and I thought now were getting some where. I am gonna ask this one to be my bride, my one and only, till death do us part.

    I waited a little while, I did not want to seem too smothery or anything. I shopped around for just the right set up. I settled on a hot little box of the new Hornady TAP hollow point, sweet looking stuff, like a candy or something. With the hollowpoints hidden in my pocket I cleaned her up real good and lubed her up a little wet like she likes it and off to the range we went.

    She was happy, barking away, eating up that ball like a heavy lady on the oreo's. I decided it was time. I racked her slide back, got down on one Knee and slipped a mag of that sweet TAP hollowpoint up in her. Well, as thrilled as she was to have me ask for the commitment, she had a complete meltdown, I watched in horror as my little trophy morphed right back into that psyco I had when we first started dating. I was downright heartbroken. I went home devastated.

    I still did not give up, I kept working on things and trying and trying. We have been through Speer, Winchester, and many other hollow points. I have come to the conclusion that I just cannot marry this little fireball.

    So... I am dating again. Got a XD 40 sub compact the other day, sweet, she is pretty hot, a little chunky, but loads of fun and most importantly she loves the hollowpoints, shell eat anything. Don't know if Ill marry her yet. I still have that crazy Kahr calling me for a booty call at least twice a month and we still have wild times at the range. I know it is stupid but she might, someday, she might grow up and eat the hollowpoints.

    Anybody know of a hollowpoint that the PM40 will shoot reliably? I really want to marry my dream girl but I am losing hope.

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    Shrinks will tell you if the marriage did not work the first time what makes you think it will the second time? I have two father in-laws who tried and in both cases it did not work. One is still married but regrets it daily! We hear about it at family get togethers and it makes it a little (alright a lot) uncomfortable.

    I hate to tell you I got her little sister (PM9) and she and I have had wonderful relationship since her break-in time. During her break-in she had two FTE and one FTF and the trigger smoothed right out. Have got about 500 rounds through her and she likes FMJ or JHP.

    She takes it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck32 View Post
    I hate to tell you I got her little sister (PM9)
    She takes it all.
    I thought about calling them and demanding they trade me for the PM9. Has anyone ever heard of that? Is it possible to make it a 9 by purchasing the upper?

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    Had a CW9 for a year and loved it, no issues. Traded it in yesterday towards a used PM9. Only had time to shoot about 50 rounds, some WWB, Win 124 gr HP and some 115 gr Mag tech. Ate all, no problems

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    Well fellers let me add some thoughts. First and foremost..ya got to read the manual. Kahr does/should have a disclaimer that reads..."Don't contact us until after ye've fired 200rds. to break the gun in!" And it's a fact! I wish it wasn't. I wish Kahr would just put them on a machine and cycyle them 400 times before the send them out. It'd save me a helluva lotta time twaddlin' around at the range shooting boxes of shells downrange. (slapping my head...I like doing that!!) That being said I do have some issues with Kahr and I might have posted this back in 2008. If I did.. please forgive an old man. I should be able to rack the slide and chamber a round. What if I don't have time to pull the slide back...lock in the slide-lock...drop and replace a magazine and then release the slide? Like if I git a "dud" or the slide doesn't lock back when the mag is empty. Mind ye...I'm OLD..and my brain isn't as fast as it used ta be! I'll have to realize it didn't go BANG...look to see what happened...fumble with the slide and clear the mis-fire...find the mag. release..drop that out..fumble another one out of my pocket and then try to line up the slide release and lock it into place and then release it to chamber a fresh round. I wear bi-focals fer chrissakes! I can't even SEE my hands! Ohhhh yes...more to come of course!! Audie...the Old...

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    Ahhh yes..and then the problem with engaging the slide to lock in the slide-release. The recoil spring. Folks, I think Kahr also manufacturers the axle-springs for the Abrahm tank. Same spring!! Yes I know a short-action-short-barreled-auto-loader has to have a strong recoil spring. Does it have to be THIS strong? I'm 6ft. 3in. tall....250lbs.....work every day. I'm not a wanker. I can pinch the slide on my 1911 with thumb&forefinger..or tuck it between my "cheeks" ...or gums...or toes...and pull the slide back. If I had to do this manuver on the Kahr CW40 more than twice a day I'd be in deep poop. What if I could only use 1 hand??? Like perhaps my left hand was gammahooched..or it was busy giving the bad guys the finger?? Then what? I'm just sayin' is all. Kahr needs to work on this. It is a reliability issue. And fellers...I ain't done yet. Audie..the Old...

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    Next up....trouble seating the magazine/clip. I'm ready to grab up the belt-sander and prune just a smidgion of material off the bottom of the mag. well. I'll just clamp the gun upside down in the bench vise and have at it! I can't just pop in a fresh mag. I have to really shove it in there and make sure the mag. release button locks it into place. In a fire-fight this might be a non-issue. I'd be so amped I'd slap it in with enough force to bend the frame. But this isn't the way it should be. This also causes reliability problems. The reason some folks are having trouble with the mags. falling out is that they were never latched into place in the first place. Kahr needs to address this problem as well. IMHO one should be able to turn a gun upside down and drop in a full mag. and it should lock into place with no pushing/forcing/fumbling. The weight of the loaded mag should be enough. One last post....Audie..the Old..

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    Would I buy or reccomend a Kahr CW40. You bet! They have their quirks and some things I find unacceptable. I find problems with most handguns and certainly with most concealed-carry handguns. The biggest problem with most handguns is they're too big to carry 24/7. This isn't an issue with the Kahr CW line. Lightweight, concealable, very accurate, recoil is a non-issue. Sights are fair to middlin'...in an actual fire-fight I'm not sure sights really matter. I don't need 19 rounds of glorified 38 Special ca'tridges. (read...9mm.) Give me a .40 or .45 with 6 or 7 rounds in a thin&concealable package. If I can't end the problem by displaying my intent to defend myself..then round-count really won't matter. I might aim the first round 'er 2. After that it's duck and run time. And for those brave souls that think more rounds are better....I've seen the footage and videos. "Local police (well trained professionals)..fire 48 rounds...gunman was hit 4 times." Audie..the Old...

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    OF, love your posts and the break down of paragraphs.

    Keep it up. If you were born in 56 you aint that old.

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