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    Kahr spring breakage, company admits it.

    Approx fifteen years ago I purchased a Kahr 9mm, they called it a ladysmith at the time I believe. While it was generally reliable I did have a
    couple of FTF and an ejection problem or two. As a secondary carry weapon I was none too happy with ANY failure but the trigger pull was like
    butter, the feel was right, recoil manageable, very concealable and the reviews at the time were very favorable so I kept it. After approx 300
    rds the weapon locked up with a jam. And I mean locked up to the point where I couldn't do anything with it. A call to the company yielded a
    friendly factory tech who suggested various fixes none of which worked. It was still locked. I sent it to them and they called me in prompt
    fashion saying " boy it was really stuck " Great.... if I'm on the street and this happens do I tell the attacker to wait until I send it to the
    factory ? Seems the main spring that returns the slide broke. So I ask is this normal or was this just a freak occurrence ? Seems the factory
    tech says they had problems with spring breakage after only 1500 rds or so and they recommend regular replacement. Apparently I was sold a
    used weapon with unknown rds fired thru it by the dealer. I was under the impression that it was new since they were just out on the market. So now I have sort of a reason. Just seems like the company/gun mags should have alerted the consumer to the frequency of replacement. I have no idea if they still have this recommendation or if they improved the spring. There was no way to clear the jam but even if you could clear it
    the weapon was worthless. 1500 rds seems too frequent of a replacement. Obviously I no longer go to this dealer so part of the problem
    was his not telling me it was a used weapon. In fact lets just say he's been out of business shortly after this transaction.

    I'm not trying to be a Johnny come lately here, just found this site and thought others of this vintage should know of this. I'd be interested if
    anyone else had this happen and what they were told at the time. I still have it but barely use it. My Taurus 92 has many thousands of rounds
    thru it without a problem. So has my little Bersa model .23. The Kahr was the most expensive and now I use it the least. Its relegated to being in my vehicle. I might add it was very accurate for its size at 25 yards.

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    If Kahr's spring regularly breaks, you might contact Wolff Springs. Click on: Wolff Semi-Automatic Pistol Springs - Magazines, Recoils, Hammers, Firing Pins & More
    See what they say.
    They probably have a better-quality replacement spring available, and they can give you better advice on service intervals than can Kahr.

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    Since I have and carry a CW9, I was understandably concerned about this issue, so I called Kahr and spoke with them. They were very insistent that they do NOT have a spring breakage problem with their guns. They said that it's quite possible that a spring could break. Any mechanical system can break. But they assured me that this would be an isolated event and not an ongoing issue with their guns. They did confirm that they "recommend" that if the gun is going to be used for critical use, in other words, self defense, the recoil spring should be replaced every 1200-1500 rds. But they said this is simply a preventative maintenance step, to ensure that the spring does not weaken with repeated use, as any spring can, which may cause the gun to malfunction. It is not due to concern over spring breakage.

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    I find it interesting that 15 years later that Kahr stated it doesn't have a problem. I find it even more interesting that they STILL recommend replacement every
    1200 to 1500 rounds. Does anyone recall any other company with that soon a replacement, or for that matter a replacement at all ? If one breaks on your
    weapon you will feel as I did... sick to the stomach and not trusting it to the point of not carrying it except in your vehicle on the drivers door where you keep
    your maps..... so if there isn't a problem why don't they recommend changing all the springs in their handguns as a defensive posture against failure ? As you
    said they stated " a spring can break ". Cop-out.. Perhaps they should call some of their former employees and take a refresher course. I'd be happy to
    furnish my name and serial number of the weapon if they would like to check their books.

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    To be truthful, some guns exhibit more symptoms of stress than do others. Shortie semi-autos always exhibit signs of stress, because their recoiling parts are, indeed, comparatively highly stressed.

    Also to be truthful, my two full-size Government Model .45s have been using the very same spring set that they were delivered with. This is after more than 20 years of competition use, and lots and lots of practice. But the parts of well-designed, full-size guns are not particularly stressed.
    Just after the end of WW2, our government ran a "shoot-'till-it-won't" test upon all of the pistols of the war's major participants. The test was reported in detail, in an issue of the American Rifleman, probably during the early '50s. (I read it, back then, but I don't remember the date.)
    Every pistol dropped out with broken parts, some quite early in the test, except for the US Government Model .45. The .45 did suffer one stoppage during the test, but that stutter was attributed to the extra-long thumb of one of the testers, which had been pressing upward against the gun's slide stop.

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    You're right on the money about the stress on compact weapons. Isn't it interesting Kahr only seems to be interested in the slide spring ? And that's why I
    posed the question if anyone had a similar issue. And as far as that goes other compact weapons as well. Are those companies recommending similar spring
    replacement at 1200 to 1500 rounds ?

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    Since I was reminded of the spring failure on my weapon when I joined this forum I decided to dig out my paperwork on my weapon and subsequently
    recontact Kahr arms. I learned quite a bit and now feel more informed about the incident. It seems my K-9 LadyK had a different recoil spring in it from the
    factory instead of the ones currently being used. While it was technically a refurbished weapon ( explanation was a total inspection and replacement of parts
    returning the weapon to a new condition ) If indeed the weapon had the recoil spring replaced just before I bought it, it failed after several hundred rounds
    which is an even greater cause for concern. Easy to understand the logic of changing of the type spring that was used. He also stated normally the weapon
    becomes unreliable but he's never seen a spring actually break. While I accept him at his word, I did have an upturned eye with that statement.

    Bottom line : tech person offered to replace my recoil spring to make sure I have the newer type, no cost. He stated that if I had FTF and FTE ( I had a
    couple ) that this should resolve that issue. He also stated since I was obviously not told the truth about the weapon he would work with me if a warranty
    problem comes up in the future. Still slightly troubling was the suggestion that they be replaced at the still recommended 1200 to 1500 rds. However, if this
    spring change makes the weapon totally reliable after I fire a couple hundred rounds I will probably start carrying it again.
    When I dug up the paperwork it was manufactured in 1996, sold to me in early 1998 and sent back to them for repair in 1999. From 1999 to present I doubt
    that 300 to 400 rds were fired from this weapon. So, I'm going to give it another go with the newer spring and see what happens..

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