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    PM9 FTF problems

    I've put about 900 rounds through my PM9. I am still getting FTF issues. This past weekend I shot about 75 rounds at the range. The range ammo is PMC 115 gr. Out of the 75 rounds 3 were FTS's.
    I am cleaning and lubing as per Kahr's instructions. I also have had FTF's with some Speer LE Gold dot 124g, Federal LE Tact HE 124g and Winchester 9mm Luger 115g range ammo.

    I own several Glocks and a KelTec P11 and have no issues with those. Any help would be much appreciated.

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    Well it seems as though the only thing to do is to send it back to Kahr.

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    Question FTF how?

    Please describe FTFs, nose high, nose low, not fully chambered, what? I think some Kahrs are , shall we say, "ammo selective" (at least my CW45 is) concerning, case mouth diameter (crimp, etc), bullet diameter and shape, etc. Don't send it back to Kahr without more specifics, IMO. - John

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    Thanks John. I did not keep a record of what you asked regarding the position of the bullet. I am going to the range this week and I will report back all of what you asked.

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    Shot my PM9 this weekend with Blazer Brass 9mm 115 gr FMJ. 50 rounds no issues. Sorry to hear you are having issues.

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    Sorry to here your problems, it's the first probs I have heard about the PM-9 (not to say there aren't more). I have shot remanufactured ammo, winchester, remington, and my SD ammo, Hornady critical defense. Since I have had the gun, I have not had any failures, period. I feel totally confident with mine in terms of when I pull the trigger, and firing.
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    I feel bad for you man, If you fell your P11 is a better gun then your Kahr you got a bad one. I hope this clears itself up for yuo best of luck.

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    Try something other than PMC. I'll bet it will run like a top. I never had much luck with PMC and avoid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texagun View Post
    Try something other than PMC. I'll bet it will run like a top. I never had much luck with PMC and avoid it.
    I am not being a smart ass but if you read my post you can see I did try many different brands and types of ammo with the same results.

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    Failures to feed

    Steve - as you know,it's very difficult to diagnose problems via the forums. In my experience, FTF problems are usually magazine related, after you've ruled out cartridge dimensions vs chamber shapes, etc, and slug weight. If I recall correctly, the PM9 has a pretty strong recoil spring and 115g or 124g slugs may not have the energy to correctly cycle the slide. Just food for thought.. Good luck and don't give up easily. - John

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    115g or 124g slugs may not have the energy to correctly cycle the slide.
    Again, that's all I use in mine is 115gr ammo. Lately, I have been shooting remanufactured 115gr Zero ammo. I have shot Remington and probably others as well. I would 2nd the thought that possibly it is a magazine problem, these guns are built so well, and I don't believe there is that much to go wrong with them. Mine came with a 2nd magazine (extended) which also shoots perfect. Good luck to you though. Maybe have a gun smith take a quick peek at it.
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    Thanks for all of the advice. I will be going to the range tomorrow. If it jams I will take a picture of the chamber. Regarding the magazines, I have 6 factory magazines. Two of which are the 7 rounds. This problems happens with ALL the magazines I try. I would think this should rule-out any mag problems.

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    I bought a PM9 a few weeks ago. I have fired a little over 200 rounds through it without one FTF. I have fired Federal round nose 115gr FMJ and reloaded 124gr JFP with 4.7gr of WSF through my PM9 without a single problem. Hope you get it figured out soon.

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    How's your grip? Is it possible you're loosening up as you shoot? That recoil makes the 3 finger hold a challenge especially after extended range time. Could limp wristing or a loose hold be causing the failures? Can't wait to hear how the last visit went. I'm at just under 400 rounds on a new PM9 with not one problem. Bummer if you have a gun that needs work.

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    Well I did not get to go to the range today. My wife decided we needed to plant tomatoes. I will probably go this week.
    I only shot 75 rounds my last visit and I had 3 failures. The first 2 occurred with the first and second magazines. I do make sure I have a good grip all of the time. My KelTec P11 is a small pistol as well. I never had a FTF with that one after shooting 200 rounds in one visit. I really think there something wrong with my PM9, I just don't know what it is.

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    If it were me in your position, I would have a gunsmith look at it, or send it back to Kahr for warranty work. I think it is safe to say this would be your "carry gun", and it must be reliable. It would be a hassle to send it back, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Personally, I would buy 4 boxes of 9mm 115gr ammo (200rds of standard target) and shoot them all and keep exact tabs of what happens for a record to report to whoever looks at your gun. I would grind right through the 200 rds and see it there is a pattern developing. I would really expect perfection out of my Kahr if I shot it as I just suggested.
    Let us know what you decide to do and the results of that.
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    The wise MrWizardly---sound advice. A visit to the smiley bank and found this ... It's about how I'd feel right now. I hope Kahr takes care of you. Let us know. GREAT companies would FedEx a new product right away upon receiving a defective unit under warranty. That's what I'd want. That and $200 towards range ammo! Well, and maybe an extra mag. BTW, do your mags drop freely? Mine don't & it's going to mean a chat with Kahr myself although I've read elsewhere they say it's a design attribute. (read that on GlockTalk). Yikes. Not this man.

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    That is some great advice. I want this to be my carry weapon but not like it is now. I really love this weapon. I am very accurate with it and it's a breeze to carry. Like suggested I will put another 200 rounds through it and document and take a picture on what happens.
    And yes, all of my mags drop freely. Thanks.

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    Well I went to the range today and shot about 125 rounds. I had 3 FTF's. It's not really a jam. When it happens all I do is push the slide forward and it chambers the round. My wife has a PM9 and never has a FTF.
    Here is a picture of what it looks like. What do you guys think?


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    Steve,
    were your FTF's on the first round of the magazine, or other rounds as well. Some magazines have to be broken in, or even adjusted. The first round of a "full" mag is very tight.
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    In that picture it was the first round of the mag. However, the others were not. My wife and I share a set of 6 mags. As I stated before, her PM9 never has this problem. I numbered the mags and the problem does not happen with any specific mag.

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    Steve,
    I don't know how much this helps you, but, this info is from a friend who I talked to regarding your problem.
    Failures to feed can be caused by: the extractor, a rough feed ramp, misaligned magazines, damaged or misaligned magazine feed lips.
    Tell him to first check the extractor for dirt or grit and ease of movement. Any restriction on the extractor will cause misfeeds.
    MW

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    Great advice, I will do this.

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    Does your serial number begin with VA? I think these were the first productions and there were some problems.

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