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    Re: Who has used their home defense weapon?

    ^^^^ I feel the same way.

    If you find your self needing to use a firearm to protect you, your family or your property it best be loaded and ready to use. And he's right. If you hesitate even for a second, you'll find yourself in a bad position or worse. I've always felt that if someone comes into your home knowing your in it, means no good and is willing to hurt or kill you. Best thing to do is get a small gun vault. They aren't expensive and will protect the gun from your kids while still allowing the gun to be there when you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavere View Post
    ...[D]oes simply possessing a firearm deter a BG or instigate worse violence.
    Please explain how possessing a gunóeven a loaded gunócould "instigate...violence."

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    Kids are curious by nature. I have found that if you try to hide something from them, they will only want to see what it is even more. Dare I say it, but if I had small children and you are going to have a gun, you need to teach them what it is and to respect it by not touching it. I know gun ranges will not allow children on them, but if you have someone that lives in the country where you can shoot yourself, it MAY be appropriate (only you and your wife will know for sure) to take them along with you (make sure they have eye and ear protection) and show them what a gun will do. The loud bang and the bullet holes in the target should be enough for most children to understand that this is not a toy and should not be played with. Get them trained on using firearms as soon as you feel they can handle it. My father taught me how to use a 12-guage shotgun when I was in middle school. Before that I was shooting a pellet gun and 22 rifle. My wife grew up in the country and used small arms fire from a young age as well. If you don't feel it is appropriate for your children to know anything about guns or they are too little to be taught about guns, then I personally feel you should not have one in the house with them. That is my personal opinion and it is up to you to make the rational decision as to whether or not you want guns in your home if you have children. But it is your responsibility to make sure your guns are kept safe and out-of-reach of anyone who does not know how to properly handle it regardless of their age.

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    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
    Let the flaming begin... thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
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    Welcome, first you are a Canadian, I'm a US born citizen. I'm not sure what your constitution grants in rights( if any) but here in the US we have what is known as a bill of rights. Our country was founded upon a deep mistrust of an authoritarian Federal(central) government.You may disagree, but that's the way it is. To say that any Government will not fail, or become tyrannical, and fail to protect you at any point in time is naive in my opinion. We the People(the true government) have certain inalienable rights and as such a law abiding citizen has an inalienable right to own firearms. I don't know where you live, but safe to say, here in the US we have many evil, stupid, uneducated, criminals hell bent on robbing, burglarizing, murdering, raping and other forms of mayhem, as like any society in varying degrees. As such, I wish to be armed in order to protect myself from those type of individuals, especially in my home. I don't know what type of Utopia you live in Mayfly, but where I live Utopia just ain't happening yet. I guess we could turn back the hands of time and get rid of all firearms and protect ourselves w/ clubs, spears and rocks, but i don't see that happening anytime soon. As far as your hypothetical young man scenario, that may be true, but just as well the person breaking into your home could be hell bent on killing you as well. You seem like the victim type, which is fair enough, but just not me, thank-you. Oh, BTY, if you can, please join and support the NRA...all the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
    Let the flaming begin... thank you
    You state that you would rather fix a scenario (situation) with a baseball bat. That to me seems a little barbaric. I can not see my wife carrying a baseball bat , even the ability to properly swing the baseball bat. I'm very athletic, Baseball was one of my major sports growing up.
    I do not even think I would be able to hit flying bullets out of the air with a baseball bat. In which way would you use a baseball bat and what kind of scenario are you referring too, thanks

    This forum is international I believe, do not outcast yourself from the start

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    Thank you for your opinions. I guess we view life differently and thank you for your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Thank you for your opinions. I guess we view life differently and thank you for your post.
    I am really curious about the baseball bat.

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    We don't have enough therapists to handle all the misguided souls in the usa. So we reserve the right to defend our families for the misguided that infringe upon my right to live another day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
    If someone breaks into my house, they have the option of surrendering or retreating, once they see me start to point a gun at them, but they need to do it very quickly, because I won't put my life or my family in jeopardy, on the chance it is just somebody's nice boy who has gone astray.

    If your faith in mankind leads you to want to give a criminal the option of deciding whether you should draw another breath, I support your decision wholeheartedly, and wish you well. Just don't make any rules for me to follow.

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    Typical, the canadians just think us Americans are trigger happy fools. So funny!@

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavere View Post
    I do apologize if anyone finds this topic inappropriate in any way. We have two small children and that's where my wife's concerns are based. Of course I will keep all guns locked and away. But as a concession I was offering not to store any ammo at home until she takes a class and becomes more comfortable.

    It's basically boiling down to the age old debate of does simply possessing a firearm deter a BG or instigate worse violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it?What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
    Let the flaming begin... thank you
    When little misguided Johnny & friends kick in your door at 0300, your baseball bat might be as useful as a Nerf gun if for some reason little Johnny & friends are packing heat.
    Knowingly breaking in to an occupied house is not theft. It's not the neighbor's kid swiping your garden gnome out of the yard. It's home invasion. Those who do it are typically not the sort who respect boundaries. Much in the way that armed robbery is not simple theft and rape is not about sex. It's an act of violence with the threat of deadly force. I don't understand how even a liberal moron wouldn't see that meeting the threat of deadly force with the same is a necessary thing.
    I wonder, would you disarm the police? If meeting force with force is bad, then by that reasoning, the police shouldn't have weapons either. And no, before you say it, Police are not responsible for your protection. Otherwise you'd be able to sue when they failed to do so.
    As for bad decisions, when some poor misguided soul kills someone you care about, I suspect that you will not be as open minded about their particular circumstances. Does the victim owe the perp some sort of understanding? No, sorry, if you can manage to understand them man who invades your home great, but it's not something they are owed. I, for one, wouldn't think of wasting my time with it.
    Stupid should hurt. Being violently stupid is sometimes fatal, as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overkill0084 View Post
    Much like buying a car with no fuel. Why bother? Seek training for both of you. Best money you will ever spend. Additionally, visit this site:
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    When little misguided Johnny & friends kick in your door at 0300, your baseball bat might be as useful as a Nerf gun if for some reason little Johnny & friends are packing heat.
    Knowingly breaking in to an occupied house is not theft. It's not the neighbor's kid swiping your garden gnome out of the yard. It's home invasion. Those who do it are typically not the sort who respect boundaries. Much in the way that armed robbery is not simple theft and rape is not about sex. It's an act of violence with the threat of deadly force. I don't understand how even a liberal moron wouldn't see that meeting the threat of deadly force with the same is a necessary thing.
    I wonder, would you disarm the police? If meeting force with force is bad, then by that reasoning, the police shouldn't have weapons either. And no, before you say it, Police are not responsible for your protection. Otherwise you'd be able to sue when they failed to do so.
    As for bad decisions, when some poor misguided soul kills someone you care about, I suspect that you will not be as open minded about their particular circumstances.
    Stupid should hurt. Being violently stupid is sometimes it's fatal. Be it a DUI or kicking in the wrong door at night.
    Good comment, do you guys knows the rules/laws if someone busts in your house at night are you allowed to shoot? As far as I know, if you feel like your life is threatened. You can.

    Not trying to rob this thread, just threw up a question I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Good comment, do you guys knows the rules/laws if someone busts in your house at night are you allowed to shoot? As far as I know, if you feel like your life is threatened. You can.

    Not trying to rob this thread, just threw up a question I had.
    The laws governing self defense will depend on where you are standing when you do it. CA (I'm assuming CA from your handle) has it's own specific rules. I suspect, like many other CA laws, they don't always make sense. I would not presume to state what the laws are there. Consult local laws and get on some CA gun/SD forums for more clear answers.
    Typically as a rule of thumb, an armed guy in your house is fair game in most jurisdictions, but hell, even that's no guarantee anymore.

    Check here: Handgunlaw.us It might help get the ball rolling.

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    Re: Who has used their home defense weapon?

    Laws vary by state...

    In MI we fall under the Castle Doctrine and you are allowed to shoot an intruder on sight, no verbal warning or giving the intruder a chance to retreat. You are acting under the impression that someone breaking into your home means you harm. You have a right to protect yourself and family... but not property (can't shoot someone who just stole your car from your driveway). If the intruder runs out you cannot follow and shoot him down the street... because the threat ended and you became the aggressor the moment he left and you began to persue him. You also have no obligation to retreat in your own home... laws change once outside your "four walls" of the residence.

    That being said... please identify your intruder/target before you blindly fire a weapon at him/her.

    TRUE STORY: A man hears a noise coming from the kitchen in the middle of the night and see's a silhouette coming through the window. He fires his handgun and instantly kills the intruder.... only to find out it was his 20 yr old son coming home from college for the weekend to surprise his family. The son had forgot/lost his key and came in through an open window since it was late. The father was cleared of the shooting (legally)... but now his son was dead, and he has to carry that burden.

    Moral of the story... everyone who has a handgun should also have a flashlight in the nightstand. Not saying you have to illuminate you position, but they can be used tactically to give you an advantage.

    TRUE STORY: I, myself have had an intruder in my home... we had just moved in a new house and in the process of unpacking. My wife calls to me that someone is in the house. I arrive in the living room to find a teenager going through my DVD collection. I call to him but get no response... in fact, he ignores me and continues to browse through my movies. My firearm is tucked in my pants (small of back)... I choose not to pull it out just yet as I instruct my wife to grab the kids and go to the bedroom. I notice the teenager is wearing a diaper and after closer inspection appears to be mentally challenged. I call 911 and they advise that a mentally challenged boy is missing in the area. I keep an eye on him til the police arrive to escort the young man home.

    Moral of the story... is don't be so quick to fill people full of lead... identify your target and make sure it's a threat. I was well within my right to shoot this kid... but I deemed him to not pose an immediate threat to my safety. I would not want that burden to carry.

    Obviously there are times when the threat is apparent and quick action is necessary.... so you must know your capabilities and limitations so you can make the right decision if that moment ever comes. Use sound judgement and common sense... and a flashlight (if possible).

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    Re: Who has used their home defense weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
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    First and foremost, welcome to the forum.

    Second, as far as "the sky is falling mentality" we do not want Canada-like gun laws, if it can happen to you it can happen to us and worse.

    Thirdly, lethal force may or may not be used to protect property depending on jurisdiction.

    I would not kill someone over property alone, if someone was in my house for my tv, I won't shoot over a tv but at the same time I'm not sure I would just let them walk out with a promise not to come back and that would mean holding them while waiting for police etc.

    Should that person be armed and desperate...well desperate people do desperate things. I haven't heard of too many home invaders that weren't desperate for something. Some could take discovery as a threat resulting in apprehension and incarceration and that may not be an option they are willing to accept.

    Should discovery of an intruder escalate to a situation where lethal force is legally justified, I'm going to use it. I have no idea of this person's skill or if he is alone or not. I am going to remove the threat as effeciantly as possible, and that means he either surrenders or is shot till he stops via death or common sense, which ever takes hold first.

    If he decides to flee at the sight of the gun so much the better. Let him go.

    Fourth, as far as the bat is concerned...not exactly a great close quarters weapon, if you're confronted in a hall or small room you may not get the room to get a good swing.

    Not sure if our Canadian friend is a bachelor / parent or not but if some thug has your wife or child at knifepoint what would you rather have, a bat or a gun?

    Not that I'm advocating everyone should take the shot in a possible hostage scenario, that's up to each individual (and their spouse) and the skill level of the individual.

    Besides, I don't play baseball what the heck do I need a bat for anyway?

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    OP, much like yourself and wife, I was reluctant to buy a gun. I am 38 years old with a wife and 10 year old daughter. I have never "needed" a gun in 38 years, but I decided with the way crazies are in America right now I am going to protect my family and our home to the best of my ability. My wife and I sat down and had a serious talk about guns and decided we both wanted to get them. Before I bought my first gun I bought a bio metric safe that I practiced getting into to see how quickly I could access my gun in an emergency. I can access my gun in about 2 seconds flat. After I got that down then I started looking for my first gun. I started with a .22 caliber pistol to get used to shooting. Nothing fancy, just a good reliable semi automatic 12 rounder that I can squeeze off pretty quickly. And accurately too I might add. My first trip to the range went as expected, I wasn't as accurate as I had hoped. From 30' on an 8" target I was grouping 12 shots within a 6" group. After some tuning on myself, breathing and relaxing exercises on my second trip to the range from the same 30' I was grouping 12 shots at no more than 3". This was only my second time shooting this particular gun. Now, I just bought a better 380 auto pistol with Crimson Laser grips and love it. I haven't been to the range with it, i just bought it last night. I know it will have more recoil than the .22, so I will have to adjust for that once I get to the range. Now, on to the tough question. Would I ever use my gun if needed? Absolutely! If someone is trying to get in my house, they are obviously not invited, so they are not welcome and in my eyes they are there to harm my family. Do I want to harm another human being? No. But I will not allow myself to be harmed if I don't have to. Remember, you can't protect yourself if you aren't prepared. Just make sure you spend some time at the range with your wife, and if you can afford to, take some safety and training classes. Remember, be safe no matter what you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayfly View Post
    Hello, I am new to the forum and being a Canadian, yes let the bashing begin. From an outsiders view I cannot help but think that your country is messed up. Home invasions, etc. and all this fear of government hidden agendas, I am surprised that half of you dont have bomb shelters. Please explain all this " The sky is falling mentality"? I don't want to criticize, but I can't help but think that gun control needs to be done. Sure I would like to walk around packing, its all the other people packing that concerns me. I haven't been in a scenario that a baseball bat wouldn't fix. I do own guns (hunting) and they are all locked up in a safe. I took my restricted course to purchase a handgun for range shooting as that is the only place to shoot.
    Yeah I know we are bleeding heart liberals and whatever else you guys think, but if someone breaks into my house to steal something, should they loose their life because of it? What if it were a young man that choose the wrong path in life and made a poor decision? He is now dead.
    Let the flaming begin... thank you
    If he breaks in your home and ends up dead because of it... you must remember that was his decision, not yours. He obviously thought it was worth the risk. I am sure he did not break in to have a glass of milk from your fridge and cookies from your cupboard. Do you have a wife and children? Do you have a daughter? Do I need to say more? Remember this. If you need a gun nothing else can take its place. The old saying goes here. I would rather have a gun and not need it, than need it and not have it. Just know your firearm (practice, practice, practice) and respect it and know what it can do and it will serve you well if needed.

    Your being Canadian is of no consequense. Not sure why you even mentioned it.

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    There was a time when I had a 12 gauge pumper pointed at the head of an individual on the other side of a sliding glass door while I told him if his foot came across that threshold he would die...all the while the 911 operator was telling me that they are on the way and to put down the weapon...(ah...I don't friggan think so girlie)

    You could just see he wanted inside the house in the worst way..he'd take a step forward then think better of it every time I said, "I WILL kill you"...he took off when he heard the sirens.
    With gun pointed at his head, he still needed sirens before he retreated? Wow, that takes a special kind of stupid.

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    this thread just reminded me of a sign i saw at the farm store earlier this week. maybe some of y'all might be interested in such a thing.

    no one would ever see it at my place or i would have picked one up.


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