Thank you for your opinions. I guess we view life differently and thank you for your post.
I do not even think I would be able to hit flying bullets out of the air with a baseball bat. In which way would you use a baseball bat and what kind of scenario are you referring too, thanks
This forum is international I believe, do not outcast yourself from the start
Thank you for your opinions. I guess we view life differently and thank you for your post.
We don't have enough therapists to handle all the misguided souls in the usa. So we reserve the right to defend our families for the misguided that infringe upon my right to live another day
If your faith in mankind leads you to want to give a criminal the option of deciding whether you should draw another breath, I support your decision wholeheartedly, and wish you well. Just don't make any rules for me to follow.
Typical, the canadians just think us Americans are trigger happy fools. So funny!@
Cornered Cat | If you have to fight, fight like a cornered cat.
By a woman for women, but with advice for husbands with skeptical wives.
Knowingly breaking in to an occupied house is not theft. It's not the neighbor's kid swiping your garden gnome out of the yard. It's home invasion. Those who do it are typically not the sort who respect boundaries. Much in the way that armed robbery is not simple theft and rape is not about sex. It's an act of violence with the threat of deadly force. I don't understand how even a liberal moron wouldn't see that meeting the threat of deadly force with the same is a necessary thing.
I wonder, would you disarm the police? If meeting force with force is bad, then by that reasoning, the police shouldn't have weapons either. And no, before you say it, Police are not responsible for your protection. Otherwise you'd be able to sue when they failed to do so.
As for bad decisions, when some poor misguided soul kills someone you care about, I suspect that you will not be as open minded about their particular circumstances. Does the victim owe the perp some sort of understanding? No, sorry, if you can manage to understand them man who invades your home great, but it's not something they are owed. I, for one, wouldn't think of wasting my time with it.
Stupid should hurt. Being violently stupid is sometimes fatal, as it should be.
Typically as a rule of thumb, an armed guy in your house is fair game in most jurisdictions, but hell, even that's no guarantee anymore.
Check here: Handgunlaw.us It might help get the ball rolling.
Laws vary by state...
In MI we fall under the Castle Doctrine and you are allowed to shoot an intruder on sight, no verbal warning or giving the intruder a chance to retreat. You are acting under the impression that someone breaking into your home means you harm. You have a right to protect yourself and family... but not property (can't shoot someone who just stole your car from your driveway). If the intruder runs out you cannot follow and shoot him down the street... because the threat ended and you became the aggressor the moment he left and you began to persue him. You also have no obligation to retreat in your own home... laws change once outside your "four walls" of the residence.
That being said... please identify your intruder/target before you blindly fire a weapon at him/her.
TRUE STORY: A man hears a noise coming from the kitchen in the middle of the night and see's a silhouette coming through the window. He fires his handgun and instantly kills the intruder.... only to find out it was his 20 yr old son coming home from college for the weekend to surprise his family. The son had forgot/lost his key and came in through an open window since it was late. The father was cleared of the shooting (legally)... but now his son was dead, and he has to carry that burden.
Moral of the story... everyone who has a handgun should also have a flashlight in the nightstand. Not saying you have to illuminate you position, but they can be used tactically to give you an advantage.
TRUE STORY: I, myself have had an intruder in my home... we had just moved in a new house and in the process of unpacking. My wife calls to me that someone is in the house. I arrive in the living room to find a teenager going through my DVD collection. I call to him but get no response... in fact, he ignores me and continues to browse through my movies. My firearm is tucked in my pants (small of back)... I choose not to pull it out just yet as I instruct my wife to grab the kids and go to the bedroom. I notice the teenager is wearing a diaper and after closer inspection appears to be mentally challenged. I call 911 and they advise that a mentally challenged boy is missing in the area. I keep an eye on him til the police arrive to escort the young man home.
Moral of the story... is don't be so quick to fill people full of lead... identify your target and make sure it's a threat. I was well within my right to shoot this kid... but I deemed him to not pose an immediate threat to my safety. I would not want that burden to carry.
Obviously there are times when the threat is apparent and quick action is necessary.... so you must know your capabilities and limitations so you can make the right decision if that moment ever comes. Use sound judgement and common sense... and a flashlight (if possible).
Second, as far as "the sky is falling mentality" we do not want Canada-like gun laws, if it can happen to you it can happen to us and worse.
Thirdly, lethal force may or may not be used to protect property depending on jurisdiction.
I would not kill someone over property alone, if someone was in my house for my tv, I won't shoot over a tv but at the same time I'm not sure I would just let them walk out with a promise not to come back and that would mean holding them while waiting for police etc.
Should that person be armed and desperate...well desperate people do desperate things. I haven't heard of too many home invaders that weren't desperate for something. Some could take discovery as a threat resulting in apprehension and incarceration and that may not be an option they are willing to accept.
Should discovery of an intruder escalate to a situation where lethal force is legally justified, I'm going to use it. I have no idea of this person's skill or if he is alone or not. I am going to remove the threat as effeciantly as possible, and that means he either surrenders or is shot till he stops via death or common sense, which ever takes hold first.
If he decides to flee at the sight of the gun so much the better. Let him go.
Fourth, as far as the bat is concerned...not exactly a great close quarters weapon, if you're confronted in a hall or small room you may not get the room to get a good swing.
Not sure if our Canadian friend is a bachelor / parent or not but if some thug has your wife or child at knifepoint what would you rather have, a bat or a gun?
Not that I'm advocating everyone should take the shot in a possible hostage scenario, that's up to each individual (and their spouse) and the skill level of the individual.
Besides, I don't play baseball what the heck do I need a bat for anyway?
OP, much like yourself and wife, I was reluctant to buy a gun. I am 38 years old with a wife and 10 year old daughter. I have never "needed" a gun in 38 years, but I decided with the way crazies are in America right now I am going to protect my family and our home to the best of my ability. My wife and I sat down and had a serious talk about guns and decided we both wanted to get them. Before I bought my first gun I bought a bio metric safe that I practiced getting into to see how quickly I could access my gun in an emergency. I can access my gun in about 2 seconds flat. After I got that down then I started looking for my first gun. I started with a .22 caliber pistol to get used to shooting. Nothing fancy, just a good reliable semi automatic 12 rounder that I can squeeze off pretty quickly. And accurately too I might add. My first trip to the range went as expected, I wasn't as accurate as I had hoped. From 30' on an 8" target I was grouping 12 shots within a 6" group. After some tuning on myself, breathing and relaxing exercises on my second trip to the range from the same 30' I was grouping 12 shots at no more than 3". This was only my second time shooting this particular gun. Now, I just bought a better 380 auto pistol with Crimson Laser grips and love it. I haven't been to the range with it, i just bought it last night. I know it will have more recoil than the .22, so I will have to adjust for that once I get to the range. Now, on to the tough question. Would I ever use my gun if needed? Absolutely! If someone is trying to get in my house, they are obviously not invited, so they are not welcome and in my eyes they are there to harm my family. Do I want to harm another human being? No. But I will not allow myself to be harmed if I don't have to. Remember, you can't protect yourself if you aren't prepared. Just make sure you spend some time at the range with your wife, and if you can afford to, take some safety and training classes. Remember, be safe no matter what you do.
Your being Canadian is of no consequense. Not sure why you even mentioned it.
With gun pointed at his head, he still needed sirens before he retreated? Wow, that takes a special kind of stupid.There was a time when I had a 12 gauge pumper pointed at the head of an individual on the other side of a sliding glass door while I told him if his foot came across that threshold he would die...all the while the 911 operator was telling me that they are on the way and to put down the weapon...(ah...I don't friggan think so girlie)
You could just see he wanted inside the house in the worst way..he'd take a step forward then think better of it every time I said, "I WILL kill you"...he took off when he heard the sirens.
this thread just reminded me of a sign i saw at the farm store earlier this week. maybe some of y'all might be interested in such a thing.
no one would ever see it at my place or i would have picked one up.
Cavere-Are you a NRA Member? If so, good for you. If not-Why not? Their American Rifleman mag has at least 5 stories an issue about home defense gun use. My wife and are both retired LEOs and used guns in self-defense for years, so I know it works. As an Instructor I taught many female officer to shoot with full power LE weapons, mostly 40s and 45s. For a gun shy newbie a 38 Special revolver/ 9mm auto will be easier. A .22 pistol/rifle is easy and fun to shoot and is easy to train basics for a newbie. Example of a female using gun to defend herself and kids-16yr old girl home alone had 2 hispanic male felons invade her home while babysitting her siblings. They retreated to a master bedroom where her family guns were secured. She warned them to go away, they didn't. She was trained to use a shotgun as a skeet competitor and did so very well in this case. USA 2 Mexico -2.
I have been away from this thread for awhile. I understand where a lot of the mixed opinions are coming from. I think that house layout dictate what HD weapon would be best. In my house the hallway leading to the bedrooms is upstairs but also very narrow. A bat would not work well. I have since purchased a 9mm and a .22. They are not kept loaded and chambered but in current situation it would take about ten seconds to insert the loaded mag chamber a round and take a defense position protecting my wife and children. This would also leave the perp two exit locations to flee which is ideal. I have also taken a concealed class and am waiting for my permit to arrive.
I am not currently an NRA member. I am doing more research into it. There are many things they do which is great. Some other things I find to be a little too far for my views. I know many disagree and that's fine.
It's something I am working on with my wife. But being two actions from a chambered round is much better than nothing at all.
I raised2 kids, and never locked up my firearms. NEVER once did they bother them. We would go shooting many times during the week, and every week end. At age 5 my boy could easily put a .38 rd through the head of a silhouette target at 50 yds. My daughter the same. Both enlisted in the Marine Corps at 17 and my son was a marksmanship instructor.
Teaching responsibility and drilling it in to them is the key.
Teaching my grandkids will be more of a challenge.
I dunno if I'd call it a false sense of security, more of a lesser sense. The security is still there, just not quite as ready.