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    9mm NATO 124gr truncated cone/flat point made years ago?

    Good Day,

    I have a vague memory our military was equipped with 124gr NATO truncated cone/flat point ammo a number of years ago. Does anyone remember that ammo being used? If it existed, is it made now somewhere?

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    What time frame? Most all of the stuff I have seen and used was standard ball.

    There was some European manufactured ammo that was loaded to specs hot enough to be reliable in a subgun.

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    Somewhere deep in my now-dysfunctional memory is the notion that the original load for the 9mm Parabellum ("Luger") pistol featured a truncated-cone, FMJ bullet.

    I know that some major manufacturer still makes this load, but I just can't remember which one, or even if it's a US company.

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    Hornady had a version of this I think.

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    You got the truncated cone part down, but "NATO" is a higher velocity ammunition, similar to a +P loading.

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    9mm NATO 124gr truncated cone/flat point made years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    You got the truncated cone part down, but "NATO" is a higher velocity ammunition, similar to a +P loading.
    Well, darn. Maybe I need to self enforce a rule that I have to read all posts twice before I reply. I gave it my best, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    Well, darn. Maybe I need to self enforce a rule that I have to read all posts twice before I reply. I gave it my best, though.
    No worries, it happens.

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    I purchased some older Fiocchi combat ammo made in Italy labeled as 123 gr. F.M.J.-FN. These flat points are either solid copper or jacketed copper. Fiocchi's web site suggest this may be a 1400 fps ammo, which was likely loaded hot to near +p+ pressure by American SAAMI standards. These loads may be what you are referring to. I think Hirttemberger may have made a TC round as well, of which would have been a hot round.

    I also bought some 123 gr. TCEB Fiocchi before it was discontinued that has exposed lead on the flat point. These are likely the 1280 fps ammo they list.

    Remington, Winchester and Federal American Eagle make a 147 gr. FMJ FP round.

    DoubleTap seems to have discontinued their 147 gr. FMJ FP +p rounds which are listed as 1180 fps, glad I bought some before they did.

    Buffalo Bore sells a 124 gr. FMJ FP +p+ round that is listed as 1300 fps, they are about $1.23 per rnd.

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    Yes Buffalo Bore makes +P+ truncated 9mm ammo as mentioned above. I don't believe are military has used anything but round nose 9mm ammo.

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