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    I get mine at wal mart all the time I just have to call everyday to see if it comes in Last friday I bought ten boxes of 9mm which was every box they had called them saturday afternoon and went back and got eight more boxes

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    I go to walmart also

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    Everyone in my neck of the woods is sold out as well. Guy told me that they had a bunch on order, a shipment was coming in on Sat night, and would be out on Sunday morning. When I arrived on Sunday morning, they got in one box (100 rounds) and that one was gone before I got there.

    I keep hearing all these stories about high priced ammo in our future -- is that the reason? Is everyone else hearing this same story?

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    Online is the way to go anymore. cheaperthandirt, ammoman, midway etc. I usually will check as many as I can and keep an eye out for as sale. Then buy a bunch! I reload too. Makes shooting a 40 and/or 45 a little more cost effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    "In Obama Amerika, all your bulletz belong to us"


    jk


    I really haven't had much of a problem. I just got 600 rounds of .223 for around .34 a round from Wal-Mart 55g FMJ's.

    Zhur
    Just came back from a not too busy gunstore. Guy was explaining how just yesterday he had a pallet of .223 on the floor. Now there are just a few boxes. Then talked about HR 45. If it passes you have to qualify for an ID card just to buy componets for reloading. Another card to buy a gun. A record of weapons is maintained by the ATF and they can just bust in to see if you still have them. If one is gone they confiscate the rest. Better get a PO box, change your DL address to it and find a place underground to stash your "bangers" until we can get rid of Obama.

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    plus one for the obscure game reference!

    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    "In Obama Amerika, all your bulletz belong to us"

    Zhur
    +1 Yes! Nice obscure game reference!



    Ok, btw- I believe that this is the "madness of crowds".

    Whether were are talking about Adam Smith and the invisible hand, the dutch tulip bulb market bubble of the 1600's, or buying gas in NC after hurricane Gustav.... people are irrationally buying and hoarding...

    jeesh, we might all be joining Jeff W and the other reloaders (and creating scarcity there too!) soon enough.

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    O.K. This thread is quickly turning into a complaint about perceived legal changes and politics. I have therefore moved it here to the political forum.

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    .... Jeff quietly wanders to the garage to load up a few hundred more...

    just need some more powder...

    LOL

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    This might help explain what is going on.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/nationw...rtage-hits-us/

    February 28, 2009 - by Bob Owens

    If you, like thousands of other Americans, have Googled to find out why we are in the middle of a nationwide ammunition shortage, you would have stumbled across this 2007 blog entry.

    In it, I corrected a poorly researched Associated Press story by Estes Thompson that claimed the military’s consumption of ammunition was responsible for police ammunition shortages here in the United States. Few things could have been further from the truth, but it seems rather apparent, in retrospect, that the goal of that AP article wasn’t to find the truth as much as it was to (falsely) lay blame for the police ammunition shortages at the feet of George W. Bush.

    The real fact of the matter is that the military got the bulk of its small arms (pistol, rifle, machine gun) ammunition from one contracted ammunition plant, and that plant wasn’t even running near capacity. The military’s consumption clearly wasn’t to blame, and anecdotal evidence and statements from ammunition manufacturers strongly suggested that police departments themselves caused the 2007 ammunition shortage by purchasing far more ammunition than they had in the past.

    But what is causing our current ammunition shortages here in 2009?

    Much of the demand comes from continued high law enforcement demand, the same demand that led to shortages two years ago. Police agencies around the nation have become more militarized in recent years and two trends within this militarization have led to greater police ammunition demand.

    An increase in the size and number of paramilitary police units

    Once upon a time, highly trained, heavily armed police units with alphabet-soup acronyms such as SWAT, SRT, SRU, or ERT were generally found as part of large, metropolitan police departments. Today, law enforcement agencies of every size — including some university police forces — have SWAT-type units armed with some combination of submachine guns, assault rifles, and sniper rifles to add to the traditional compliment of pistols and shotguns. To become proficient to the level expected of these units, each officer must fire thousands of rounds in training every year.

    An increase in the use of “patrol carbines” in law enforcement

    Some agencies prefer to call them “patrol carbines”; others refer to them as “tactical rifles.” But whatever you call them, rifles based upon the AR-15 are becoming increasingly common as a weapon deployed to police officers outside of SWAT units, for some very logical reasons. AR-type rifles extend the range at which patrol officers can engage armed criminals, and because rifles have more practical accuracy than pistols, they can potentially reduce the number of shots fired to neutralize a suspect. Paired with the right kind of ammunition, the .223 Remington/5.56mm caliber rifle also has surprisingly less over-penetration, theoretically reducing threats to civilians who might be downrange. Each of these weapons will also require officers carrying them to fire hundreds of rounds in training each year, and in a city that rotates rifles from one shift to another among their patrol units, this can necessitate tens of thousands of rounds of training ammunition.

    Fears of draconian gun and ammunition restrictions

    The 2008 elections that saw the Democratic Party extend their power in both houses of Congress and saw Barack Obama elected president made gun owners very nervous, and with good reason.

    We have a president that has favored gun bans and who desires to reinstate the horribly flawed 1994 assault weapons ban authored by our rather dim vice president. We also have radically anti-gun majority leaders in both the House of Representatives and Senate, and a Congress quite willing to pass massive, bloated laws without even bothering to read the contents. Fears of encroachment are certainly warranted.

    Economic instability

    As economies become unstable and people lose jobs, crime rates go up. It is an economic fact of life. Many people who are worried about an increase in crime arm themselves during economic downturns, leading to an increased demand for firearms and ammunition.

    As a result of all of these factors, manufacturers of firearms and ammunition saw demand increase to unprecedented levels as civilians have made a run on the kind of firearms they suspect that gun control advocates presently in charge will try to outlaw.

    This includes all handguns, all semi-automatic rifles (especially those targeted by the 1994 assault weapons bill that expired in 2004), and most semi-automatic shotguns.

    Matt Reams of Sierra Bullets noted that after the 2008 presidential election demand shot up 50%-100% for bullets used by handguns or rifles in military calibers, and says, “Law enforcement has seemed to increase quite a bit the last year or so. The individuals jumped in after the elections and pushed our orders over the top when we were already running in high gear.”

    Federal Premium/ATK is the largest ammunition manufacturer in the world, running the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant for the U.S. military under contract; it also is a major supplier of law enforcement and civilians. In a statement, the company noted “unprecedented demand” for law enforcement ammunition. While other corporations are presently laying off workers and shutting down operations, ATK is in the middle of capital improvements to further increase production capability.

    Rick Shoupe of PMC Ammunition, which has a more civilian-focused market for his company’s products, reflected in his explanation:

    Shortly before the presidential election the dam broke as far as U.S. gun and ammunition sales are concerned. I believe it is a reaction by the general public because of two main reasons. Number one, the political environment which results from the attitudes about gun control in the majority of Congress and the president himself. They are anti-gun. Number two, the current financial crisis in the U.S. has added to the frenzy, causing again the general public to want some sort of personal protection. Just in case they need it.

    We are seeing a bubble in demand like I have never seen before and I have been in this business for 35 years. This demand is in addition to the military and law enforcement that also continues. PMC has expanded production to try and handle as much of the demand as it can before the demand starts to drop. Even so, the first scent of legislation being introduced to Congress will light another candle in the demand for these products. It will not end until the legislation is passed.

    Individual shooters are stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammunition because of fears of future punitive taxation or outright bans of certain kinds of ammunition. Law enforcement agencies are also stockpiling ammunition to make sure they have enough on hand to meet training requirements. The shortage we are seeing is the result of both agencies and private citizens hoarding the most sought-after ammunition.

    Thus, this shortage is the result of an accordion effect that has developed over the past few years.

    Law enforcement agencies have been rapidly increasing their ammunition consumption because of how they are rearming, causing a permanent increase in demand. Just as ammunition manufacturers began to cope with that increase, a second run, based upon a downward-turning economy and rising fears of laws targeting gun and ammunition, dramatically expanded demand yet again.

    Shortages of ammunition and firearms can be expected to continue for as long as it appears our overreaching federal government is a threat to our individual liberties, our economy continues to falter, and our police agencies keep militarizing.

    It’s going to be a long ride. Stock up while you can.
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    great article Bruce!

    Quote Originally Posted by bruce333 View Post
    This might help explain what is going on.
    Its a good read....

    It reinforces my hoarding comment though (to me - of course!). Perhaps it is rational fear of pending legislation, but I sure hope not...

    I have had a few times where I couldn't buy 22LR or 9MM at wally-world, Dicks or Gander, but never at the local gun shop or range...

    I hope we can fight the monsters that are there: HR45, etc and not worry about the phantom monsters (My buddy sent me an email that said....).
    -John

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    My girlfriend and I were at one of our local Walmarts yesterday, and they only had two WWB 380ACP 100 packs. Nothing else. I was tempted to purchase them, since I'm looking for a P3AT, but I didn't. Just another update...

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    I stop in at many WallyWorlds in the area to check the ammo shelves and they are all pretty much bare for handgun ammo. There are three Blains Fleet Farms that handle Blazer aluminum and usually have ammo more often that WallyWorld. Gander Mountain is high priced but has handgun ammo, could their high prices be why they have ammo? There is one Cabelas and they do have limited handgun ammo but are also higher priced.

    When I do find a WallMart that has ammo, I just buy two boxes and then return the next day and buy two more. I'm not that guy who buys the whole lot and leaves everyone searching.

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    I have 4 walmarts within a 30 min drive here, but no luck in finding ammo at any of them. Given, .357 sig ammo is not very common, but I ended up paying $66 for two 50rd boxes at my local range. Pricey, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

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    Question Ammo shortage

    Does anyone know where I can find 38 special ammo? everywhere I look they are sold out. I have looked at Wal Mart, Academy, Midway USA, Natchez, Cheaper than dirt, Ammo to go, and Sportsmans Warehouse.

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    Dang!! Snatch up the 500 rounds while you can!

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    Thanks Unpecador, I just ordered from ammo to go. your help is appreciated!

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    Things are not looking good. I'm just going to ride from store to store and buy as much as I can and order online when it's available.

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    You're welcome!

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    I just bought 5 cases (100 rd each) of 38 Special reloads from the local gun shop near my work place at Lunch time. Each case of 100 rounds is $23.40. There is still about 20 to 30 cases on the shelf..The truck load always comes on Mondays to this shop so I time my ammunition shoppings on Mondays for 9mm and 38 Specials, and I buy for the whole month. I shoot 9mm in my semi-auto and 38 Special in my 357 Mag S&W for target practice. BUt I don't feel the shortage here in Michigan. Ther is plenty around.

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    Here in middle Tennessee there seems to be plenty of everything except 380. I bought a Beretta 380 Cheeta and it took me about 10 days to find some. A friend and me were both looking and I found 12 boxes at a gun store. The guy behind me offered me $5.00 on the box but I turned him down. I wanted to fire my new gun and see if it was OK. I hope this shortage will end soon.

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    Our Walmart gets a little in every couple of days. 9mm, 45 and 22lr sell out in a few hours.

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    Keep checking Walmart. If you can go at lunchtime you can sometimes catch it as they are stocking the shelves. Soon after that it is gone.

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