View Poll Results: Which one do you choose for home defense?

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  • 12 Gauge Pump w/ Buckshot

    187 34.89%
  • .45 ACP Drawer Gun

    183 34.14%
  • 9mm/.38 Special Carry Gun

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  1. #101
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    I would rather "clear" my home with a handgun(9mm in my case) for compactness and manuverability - comapred to a shotgun. I feel that a shotgun is a better choice if you will be staying put somewhere (my wife for example) and waiting for them to come to you. To me an 18" barrel (shortest allowed in CA) is still a little long, and you would have to saw it off (illegal) to make it tactical within tight home quarters. But I guess a lot of it is about what is comfortable to you and will make you confident!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    A good .45 JHP load is no more likely to perforate a human body than a good .38 Special, 9mm, or whatever else. Just look at the penetration depths. You can start at www.firearmstactical.com again.
    Agreed. I would go a step her & say it's less likely.
    I've never understood the concern about .45 ACP overpenetrating. A big, slow moving bullet is less likely to overpenetrate than a faster moving bullet (9mm, .40 S&W, etc). This is true in HP ammo, and it's also true with hardball, where a 9mm ballistics profile looks like an ice-pick stab wound.

    As for me, in the situation you describe, I'm not sure the choice matters. You have been awakened and are alert. The intruder is unaware you are awake and armed. You've got the tactical advantage and caliber is not of primary importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Getting back on topic, does anyone have an 18"-20" 870 barrel in 12 gauge they want to part with?
    No. But i love my stoeger Coach gun (18-1/2") granted it is only 2 shots, but I practice with it on relaods. And staring at 2 barrels I would find even more intimidating. But Back to the original - i am comfortable and practice with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    I like my new 2-round mag extension... Should be fine for anything shy of the whole gang...

    But then if the whole gan shows up: I have 40 rounds of .45ACP from the XD, followed by 27 rounds of 9mm from XD #2, and then 23 rounds of 9mm from the Kel-Tec, then another 17 loaded in Carla's P226, and if all else fails... 5 more .38 Specials in her snubbie...

    Then the Air Soft AK in Mark's room...

    I think 119 rounds should do...

    Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    "and if that doesnt work I %!$$ on them!" - movie anyone?
    Sounds like something I would say. I've only been in one movie, and it was a three-segment porn filmed with a cell phone. Horrible angles, crappy audio, plus the mood was shot.

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    hi all,
    new here and just reading threads and soaking up info. actually don't own a handgun yet, but the reason i signed up is i am in the market for my first handgun.

    anyways, reading this thread made me think of an instance a few years ago. one night my gf (now wife) and i were asleep when all of a sudden my dog went crazy barking and howling and growling. well, the dog usually sleeps at the foot of the bed or near the bed so she scared the crap of out of my gf who woke up screaming. by this time i lept out of bed, half asleep, in my underwear, and grabbed my sword. fortunately, some drunk people had knocked on our door by accident and it was a false alarm. it was scary at the time because i thought we were getting robbed or attacked, but thinking back of how i looked running around the apt with a sword makes me crack up everytime.

    just wanted to say hello and i am going to look at guns this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vel525 View Post
    by this time i lept out of bed, half asleep, in my underwear, and grabbed my sword.

    just wanted to say hello and i am going to look at guns this weekend.
    1. Hello and welcome
    2. sounds like me 2 summers ago. Had a racoon killing chickens. Guns were all up stairs and i was REALLY POed, (3 am) so i grabbed the Shelalee (sp?) and went down to the barn. Had to peel fur out of it the next day. My wife still laughs at me about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by vel525 View Post
    hi all,
    thinking back of how i looked running around the apt with a sword makes me crack up everytime.

    just wanted to say hello and i am going to look at guns this weekend.
    Welcome...you should get some sound advice concerning your first purchase on this forum.

    If I was robbing your apartment and you came after me with a sword, I'd sh*t my pants. At least with a gun someone can miss...at three feet nobody misses with a sword, and I'd rather be shot to death than sliced and diced to death with a sword.

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    The gauge. Anybody who is brave enough and durable enough to get up my stairs and withstand 6+ rounds of 00 buck mixed with slug and survive is obviously a Terminator sent from another world and we're all dead anyway.

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    The wife and I have two chihuahuas that will bark at any sound they hear. Of course I have a 12 gauge willing and ready. Have a tomahawk by the bed too.

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    I would leave the .45 with the wife,get the 12gauge and slip the carry gun into my pajama's pants pocket,just in case.(Yes, I wear pajama pants to bed). Top of stairs(DARK) Bottom of the stairs(LIGHT)...so if the perp crosses in front of me ,at least I can see what or who I may be shooting at.And that's only if my dog hasn't already ate 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDial View Post
    Have a tomahawk by the bed too.
    You might have a tough time in court justifying why you have the BG's scalp hanging from your bedpost.

    WM
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    Secret answer D: DPMS LR-308 AP4...never know...that bump could be a grizzly bear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milliron View Post
    The gauge. Anybody who is brave enough and durable enough to get up my stairs and withstand 6+ rounds of 00 buck mixed with slug and survive is obviously a Terminator sent from another world and we're all dead anyway.
    Just sneak behind him and pull some fuses. Then rewire him to rob the gun store and bring you all the ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    We have two viscious dachshunds in our house: a mini for concealed carry and a full sized for home defense. Both will bark and shatter ear drums. The mini will pee on the BG's leg when he bends over to pet him, and the full size will roll over and demand a tummy rub, keeping the BG occupied while I load my shotgun.

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    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacedoggy View Post
    Depends what room I'm in. Yes I have a different gun in each room which covers all three plus. Then I would think I was dreaming since we only have one story house so there must be a black hole in one of the rooms

    I pray to God that if I have to use it I will not miss and he will.

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    My plan, if I were to catch an intruder in the act, is to grab my pistol griped, short barrel Mossberg 500C from the closet, rack it once and then hopefully hear the BG run away in a hurry - I don't want to have to clean blood off the carpets!

    In actuallity, when someone did get into our house while we were sleeping, They got in our back room and grabbed my wife's purse and my briefcase and took off. We slept through it and didn't hear a thing. Then the BG went to the house next door, cut open a screen and grabed a ring of keys and drove off in their truck. They slept through it and didn't hear a thing!

    Crooks aren't as dumb as you think. They're going to look for the easiest target and avoid confrontation.

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    Being in a two bedroom apartment, I have to be fully aware of my background so I don't accidentally kill or harm a neighbor, I have neighbors on all sides but the front. I use JHP's in my XD-40, and get a lower velocity round hoping that it would stay in a BG. I have SP's in my .223 in my walk in closet but I know if I had to use my .223 its going to go through a wall no matter what round I'm using just by FPS alone. I should get a shotgun for a long gun instead of my .223. But being in such a small apartment, I don't think I'd ever have time to retrieve my .223. It would take someone about 2 seconds to get from front door to my bedroom, but my bedroom door is locked at night, so that's two different locks to go through.

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    My roommate came in one night with a huge wig and sunglasses on after a party. My puppy ran down the stairs, took one look him, then went ape sh*t and chased him out the front door. He took his wig and shades off, walked back in, and she was all smiles. It was pretty funny.

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    Hey, i'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this but for many dogs if you are quite domanant they will view you as the Alpha. part of the job of the Alpha is to protect the rest of the pack, so if your dog hides behind you don't be suprised.

    My dog will bark at strangers and things outside of the appartment but when she met my GF's uncle's dog *who was about 1.5x her size* she hid behind me when he got aggresive.


    once i left the room though she started whoppin on him

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    If I ever have to deal with a home invader, my dog's growling and barking will probably send him out the door before I'm even awake. But if I happen to be downstairs when the BG breaks in and she hides behind me, no big deal...I'm the one holding a .45 or a 12-gauge, not her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    I would want the .45 for it's one stop power.
    im a pretty good shot, and I'm 100% sure a 9mm to the face will stop an intruder in his/her tracks just as effectively as a .45, im not saying you argued otherwise, I just see tons of people mention their 40sw and 45acp's for their stopping power, but to be honest i wouldn't feel any safer being at the business end of a .22 over a .45, they both have the potential to kill ya

    and as far as overpenetration, a 9mm with a higher grain bullet in hollowpoint (147gr hydrashock or hornady tap for example) has low velocity and low penetration (though you'd probably want the lighter grain if you're shooting out of a subcompact or anything with a really short barrel)

    but... that's one of those age-old arguments lol

    what do I keep in the nightstand? a Mk 19 grenade launcher.

    lol ok maybe not i have a p226 and a 20gauge pump (no other non verbal sound says "get the f*ck out" like the sound of you chambering a slug with a pump shotty)

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    this is a similiar topic but, doesnt anyone make a holster you can mount in your car, or perhaps on the side of a wall/dresser ? the way I carry it would take a very long time to undo my seatbelt, pull up a shirt and get to my IWB holster. thanks

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    I have a holster mounted to the side of my truck seat, velcro-ed to the carpeting on the side. Cheapo XD-Gear holster. Works fine, and between the door and the door pocket, out of sight.

    JW

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    "First, call 911. Then get your gun, which should be kept in a safe in the master bedroom. (He recommends a weapons safe, sold at the Bullet Hole, which has four large thumb pads on top. It’s simple to unlock in the dark but keeps guns out of the hands of children and burglars.)

    Pointing a revolver at the wall, Colandro demonstrates what he calls the vulture stance—shoulders hunched up, arms thrust forward, confronting the intruder.

    “Don’t move!” he shouts. “I got a gun! I’ll blow your head off!”

    In a crisis, Colandro explains, an authoritative voice and body language are as important as the gun itself. Even if the intruder is standing right in front of you, announce that you have a gun—it might be dark, the intruder could be under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and in any case, the warning puts you in a better legal position.

    “The best thing you could ever hope for is that the perpetrator breaks and flees,” he says. “Nobody wants to use a firearm.”

    If the intruder doesn’t flee, the next step is to bark out commands: “Sit on the ground! Lock your hands behind your head and stay there!”

    Startled by Colandro’s booming voice, a few customers turn to look. Colandro tells the couple, “It’s gonna be very hard to [get the intruder to comply], especially if he’s crazed.”

    “So just shoot them,” says Steven, a man of medium build with a few days of dirty-blonde stubble.

    “No,” Colandro says, with the barest hint of exasperation.

    “Why not? They’re in your house. You have every right to.”

    “But you’re not in clear and imminent danger,” Colandro says patiently.

    “That’s ridiculous,” says Miriam. “If there’s a stranger in my house, I’m gonna have to shoot them.”

    “I’m just telling you the law,” Colandro says. “Prosecutor’s gonna say, ‘Why didn’t you hit him with something? Why did you have to use deadly force?’”


    Steven is unfazed. “I’m not a lawyer,” he says after the lesson, “but if someone breaks into my home, they’re getting shot. Period.”"

    Excerpt from http://njmonthly.com/articles/lifest...-for-hire.html

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