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  • 12 Gauge Pump w/ Buckshot

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    183 34.14%
  • 9mm/.38 Special Carry Gun

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    Thanks, Jeff. I've had my eye on that very one, for when I redeploy back to the States. Always looking for a bargain, though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post
    .38 special with Glazers, this way I do not put family members or neighbors at risk of being hit by a stray round while sleeping. (I know a single round is not always a death dealer but thats why we use the two to the belly one to the head method.. you know the rest, if you don't well you aren't prepared to make this sort of judgment as a gun owner and are better off using other means to protect you, and your loved ones)

    Shotgun is a horrible choice, cause in a one on one struggle it can be used as leverage against you. Especially if the assailant(s) use the element of surprise or has an advantage in height/strength.

    .45 risks to be too powerful, and can go through an attacker, a wall and into someone else that you don't want it to.

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    A shotgun shell can do some serious damage at close range. My bedside companion would deliver 3 .410 #4 and then 2 .45 hollow points. I don't think I would have to use the .45's!

    I just hope I never have to find out.

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    I second the chihauhau (mine's 3.2 lbs of pure terror), but if that didn't work I guess I'd grab my Glock. That and my trusty Red Ryder 200 shot Air Rifle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattkats1 View Post
    That and my trusty Red Ryder 200 shot Air Rifle!
    Okay, I will insert the obligatory Christmas Story joke: You'll put his eye out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Okay, I will insert the obligatory Christmas Story joke: You'll put his eye out!
    hehe I'm shocked it took that long for someone to quote that incredible movie! Good job!

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    Id grab my Glock 19 9mm because i'm its reliable, and acurate. I beleive the first shot will be key in making sure I come out on top..

    You also cant go wrong with the sinister sound of racking a 12 gauge shot gun..

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    Also I recommend that you prepare yourself in the event of a home invasion. I personally set my alarm to wake me up iin the middler of the night to trigger a "breakin drill." I go for the glock 19 (unloaded) and pretend he's walking around while i wait to ambush him.


    I've got two mags ready with Corbon JHP rounds for the necessary stopping power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2 View Post
    Also I recommend that you prepare yourself in the event of a home invasion. I personally set my alarm to wake me up iin the middler of the night to trigger a "breakin drill." I go for the glock 19 (unloaded) and pretend he's walking around while i wait to ambush him.
    Rehearsals are a very good idea, not just for home invasions, but for things like fires. Having done it a few times beforehand is way better than making it up on the fly, under stress. I don't know that I'd go so far as waking myself up in the dead of night to rehearse - the chances of an ND increase tremendously when groggy - but rehearsals are a good idea nonetheless. This is particularly so if your home defense plan requires you to move, like to a kid's bedroom, big closet, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    But of course a bigger dog may slow down the intruder and give you more than four seconds to mount a defense. Then again, some people crate their fighting dogs if there's a fight brewing.
    Well Mike, I got to see my puppy in action the other night. After sitting in the deck closet for nearly a half hour with no action from the mice, I decided to go back in. Being fully clad in camo, balaclava, and goggles, my dog did not recognize me when I came to the glass door. She went into a frenzy of barks and growls, flew straight to the door, and made more noise than a bomb going off. I went with it and slowly slid the door open, then crept toward her. She kept about a six foot distance, but never backed down. I was hoping she'd pseudo attack me, but again she's not even ten months old, so she's still a pup and really can't be expected to display much aggressive behavior toward a BG. As she gets closer to adulthood I imagine she won't be keeping her distance if it ever does happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    Being fully clad in camo, balaclava, and goggles, ...
    Those gotta be some bad-ass mice if you have to dress like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Those gotta be some bad-ass mice if you have to dress like that.
    If you saw what our outside closet floor looked like, you'd know. It was nearly fully covered with mouse droppings. Didn't hafta be in camo, but my snowboarding gear is camo, so that's what I was wearing. Here's what it looks like since I don't have any pics:





    Goggles that I'm selling on ebay as of right now:



    It was tight. My roommate laughed at me when I came walking down the stairs but I had to stay warm somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Those gotta be some bad-ass mice if you have to dress like that.
    And if you face any rats, you'd better pull out the Second Chance body armor and the Kevlar helmet!
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    A little league football helmet with an open facemask should suffice, assuming I properly adjust the chinstrap. I actually have a funny story about a rat...not this past fall semester but the one before, I had just moved into my fraternity house for a year. We had the entire ceiling and floor ripped apart in the front hallway so there were tiles all over the place. I came downstairs around 2am and opened the door and there was this ginormous rat standing there. I swear the thing was damn near a foot long not including the tail. I actually thought it was a oppossum at first. I chased it into another room and called one of my brothers down and we couldn't find it. The very next night at 2am I went downstairs and there it was again, perched on a busted ceiling tile. I yelled at Scott and he grabbed this huge sword he had mounted on his wall and we went after it. I lifted every couch in that room several times and he'd swing under it but we never did find it. There were a few nooks and crannies in the room we chased it into, but honestly I don't know how it got through any of them. This thing was as big around as my neck.

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    Possibly you should lay off buying guns and contact an exterminator.
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    Mike...I am the exterminator...rahrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

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    Well the Weimaraner that sleeps in the bed with us would let us know that someone was in the house. He is smart about it tho, he will wake me up by licking my face b4 he goes apeshi$,
    once I am up he is balls to the wall. I have never seen a dog get that mad about someone being in his house without us knowing, the hair along his spine stand's on end. lol then i know its time to grab the .45

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    This thread and Mike's link to firearmstactical were enough to convence me that this was a good place to join so.....here I am and thanks again Mike for the excellent reading material. I unlearned a lot! I got a real validation on my choice of a new home security system as seen below (45 ACP)


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblock10 View Post
    Well the Weimaraner that sleeps in the bed with us would let us know that someone was in the house. He is smart about it tho, he will wake me up by licking my face b4 he goes apeshi$,
    once I am up he is balls to the wall. I have never seen a dog get that mad about someone being in his house without us knowing, the hair along his spine stand's on end. lol then i know its time to grab the .45

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    My pup's kinda the same way. If she's trying to let me know someone's coming up the steps, knocking on the door, or walking in, she has a particular bark that says, "hey someone's at the door!" But if she thinks someone's coming in that doesn't belong there, it's definitely a different bark. She's really protective, being an APBT and also having 10-15% German Sheperd (which are pretty protective). Super light sleeper so if anyone so much as whispered in our apartment in the dead of night, she'd be up and going beserk. Her shoulders are starting to widen out and the rest of her body is filling in, and I'm about to get her a custom-made harness and start training her to weight pull. She'll be a mean looking dog in about six months.

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    I had my own opinions as to what I would use but I will defer to what my son has told me. He is currently in Tikrit, Iraq, doing the up close and dirry work. His words were "f*** the m4, f*** the shotgun, give me a pistol that will put someone down, now. In an urban scenario, mobility and lethality rule. Think about it, going up a staircase....to a second floor or a rooftop. I know it's somewhat different than your bedroom but I can't fault his logic. I want to be able to shoot and scoot ASAP.
    Enough said, .45 gets my vote. He is not a big fan of the 9mm, too many double and triple taps without "hogie" going down..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMan52 View Post
    I had my own opinions as to what I would use but I will defer to what my son has told me. He is currently in Tikrit, Iraq, doing the up close and dirry work. His words were "f*** the m4, f*** the shotgun, give me a pistol that will put someone down, now. In an urban scenario, mobility and lethality rule. Think about it, going up a staircase....to a second floor or a rooftop. I know it's somewhat different than your bedroom but I can't fault his logic. I want to be able to shoot and scoot ASAP.
    Enough said, .45 gets my vote. He is not a big fan of the 9mm, too many double and triple taps without "hogie" going down..
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    Urban combat, kicking in doors and clearing buildings, isn't really the same as home defense. You're moving swiftly and engaging targets as they appear. Often there are multiple targets with things like AKs and light machine guns.

    My unit has kicked in plenty of doors, and none our guys want to use any pistol to clear a house - they all like their M4s. Different people have different perspectives, though, and maybe the Iraq theater is different. I've cleared buildings with an M4, and it's just no big deal. A shouldered M4 doesn't stick out any more than a pistol held in a firing position. Ditto for Low Ready. And a shotgun or M4 will put haji down much more authoritatively than ANY pistol in the military inventory.

    Not sure why you can't "shoot and scoot" with a shotgun or carbine. It's no big deal, and making hits on the move with a carbine is a lot easier than doing it with a pistol. It's not like you'll be doing an obstacle course while defending your house. You might take a few steps off the line of force or to cover/concealment, but that's easily done with a long gun.
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    If I were in a "known threat" environment, clearing a building, especially with an unknown layout???

    NO QUESTIONS ASKED... I'm carrying a short-barreled shotgun with buckshot and as much capacity as possible.

    There's no pistol caliber on the planet that will put down "Hagi", or any other human target faster than a load of buck at close quarters...

    12 Guage vs. M4??? The M4 gets the nod vs body armor, and in capacity.

    30 round 12 gauge anyone???

    But since I don't clear buildings for a living, and I don't have to worry about more than 1-3 perps at a time??? 12 Guage.



    That said, I'm testing 00 Buck vs #1 Buck this week. Massad is a big fan of #1 from what I remember. I also got some 3" #1... 24 pellets vs 9...

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