Hello from North Somerset
Quick Hello - Live in the original Somerset County (UK) and still own and shoot handguns - Despite all the mis-information and lies we still have handguns here but they have to be classed as "Heritage" and kept under lock and key....
Any other UK shooters out there?
Welcome to Handgun Forum. Hope you like it here. We should be thankful that we still have the freedom to own and use guns here in the U.S., and do everything we can to maintain those rights.
Welcome, glad you're here. New guy buys cigars.
Welcome Moduk. Always like to here from our brothers from across the pond. Jump in and get your feet wet.
BTW, what constitutes a 'heritage' firearm? And what are the license requirements?
Welcome and Howdy from Texas.
ow 'bout a pint down at the pub?
Glad your here, welcome. My mother-in-law is from London ... that's about the closest I can come to being a UK shooter.
We may not get to shoot with you,,but we sure can jaw--
Hello and thanks for the welcome....
ow 'bout a pint down at the pub? Anytime - had a "sun-downer" last night at a pub looking out over the Bristol Channel - towards the USA...
We may not get to shoot with you,,but we sure can jaw--
keep up the good work.....
what constitutes a 'heritage' firearm? And what are the license requirements?
I could write a book on this - got plenty of time?
That's what this forum is all about - listening to interesting stories.
Sorry guys - it took a bit of time to summarize 300 pages down to one........
A very brief description of the current UK laws.....
FAA 1997 (Amendment) Section 1, Section 5 & Section 7
This section is the general firearms section which relates to any 'normally' permissible firearm within the UK. This section includes the many types of rifle, (bolt action, lever action and black powder rifles) and also muzzle-loading pistols, i.e., Colt Navy, Army etc.
The only semi-automatics allowed are .22 rimfire rifles. There are various "conditions" which may apply on a Firearms Certificate, i.e., when and where you are authorised to shoot, what sort of bullets you can use etc, etc
This section is for the 'banned' firearms in the UK:-
Modern metallic cartidge pistols - post-Dunblane 1996,
Semi-automatic centre-fire rifles - post-Hungerford 1987.
It is very rare for an individual to be able to obtain a Section 5 licence. Usually only firearms dealers are permitted a Section 5 licence. Modern pistols may be owned by Section 5 dealers and, only maybe, held on Section 7 or are available for export or for deactivation to collectors. A licence is not required to purchase/own a deactivated firearm.
The FAA allows 'Historic or Heritage Pistols'. There are 2 classes: Section 7.1 & 7.3.
Section 7 (1) is for pre-1919 pistols for which ammunition is not readily available.
These pistols may be purchased and kept at home: e.g..455 Webley or any other revolver in 455, Mauser C96 30 cal but not 9mm…
The Home Office official list shows the following:-
Enfield Mk I and Mk II .476 service revolvers
Colt: Model 1873 and Model 1878 revolvers in .450, .455 and .476 calibre
Smith & Wesson Model No.3 revolver in .450, and .455 calibre
Smith & Wesson .22 rimfire tip-up Model 1 - First, Second and Third Issues. These can be identified by the barrel being tipped upwards before the cylinder can be removed for reloading.
Webley No.4 and No. 4 1/2 (the Webley Pryse revolver), Wilkinson Model 1892, Webley
Kaufman, Webley WG models 1889, 1891, 1892, 1893, Webley WG Army Model,
Webley WG target model
Webley pistols chambered for .455self-loading (rimless) cartridges
Dutch 10mm model 1894
Section 7 (3) Pistols for which ammunition is readily available. These pistols can be purchased but must be kept at a 'designated site' such as Bisley (UK NRA) and a few others around the UK.
Full Section 7 details, are very complicated and the list of what you can't have, but of course there are exceptions, is very extensive….
Astra: Models 400, 600 and 900
Beretta: M 1934 pistol in 9mm short and M 1935 pistol in 7.65mm
Browning FN: Model 1935 (also known as GP, Grand Puissance or High Power) in 9mm Para
Colt: Model 1911 in .45 ACP, Model 1903, Pocket Hammerless in.32ACP, Model 1908
in .25ACP, Model 1908 in .380ACP, Model, 1917 revolver in .45"ACP, Official Police,
Police Positive, Police Positive Special, Detective Special
CZ: M27 7.65mm pistol
Enfield: Service (including Albion) revolvers: all marks
Frommer: Model .37 pistol in 7.65mm
Luger: (see “Parabellum” very complex)
MAB: Model D pistol in 7.65mm
Mauser: Model 1934 pistol in .32ACP, Model HS c pistol in .32ACP
‘Parabellum-type’: P 08 nominal 4" barrel 9mm pistol marked S/42 bfy (Mauser)
Radom: VIS 35 pistol in 9mm Parabellum
Sauer: Model 38 H pistol in 7.65mm
Smith & Wesson: Hand ejector “Military and Police” revolver in .38 S&W,
though not the 1917 civilian and military versions
Star: Model B pistol in 9mm Parabellum
Tokarev: Model TT 33 pistol in 7.62mm
Walther: Model 8 pistol in 6.35, Model PP and Model PPK pistols in .32 and .380ACP, P38 pistol in 9mm Parabellum
Unique: Model 17 pistol (Kriegsmodell)
Webley: Mark IV revolver in .38
But just because its not on the list and one person has, for example, a Ballesta Molina does not mean everyone can have one!!
WELCOME from Virginia,(virgin queen) Have a pint(Guiness) and a shot of Black Bushmills for me will ya.Hope you don't hold anything againist the Irish Love the spirits from the UK most U.S beer sucks except for the mirco-brews,and I've given up Jack Daniels for the fine Irish whiskey. Welcome aboard!!! J.R.
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