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    Hello from way down under

    Hi everyone, thought I would pop by and say hello from New Zealand. Lots to look at and learn from this forum from what I have seen. I have a Glock 21 and am looking at increasing my collection with a few more items and thought I might get some really good honest info about what I am looking into. So, Hi to everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiguy View Post
    Hi everyone, thought I would pop by and say hello from New Zealand. Lots to look at and learn from this forum from what I have seen. I have a Glock 21 and am looking at increasing my collection with a few more items and thought I might get some really good honest info about what I am looking into. So, Hi to everyone!
    Welcome to the forum...

    Just curious... how are the gun laws down your way...? You mention "increasing" your collection.
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    Hi Banjar and thanks! JS, the firearm laws in NZ are fairly easy(you just have to apply for a firearms licence) untill you get to the restricted guns like handguns and milatray style. It has taken me over two years to get my handgun licence (but this is not the norm, usually takes around 10-12 months normally) once you have your B Endorsment (hand gun licence) you can buy anything you want, but you have to be a member of a pistol range and MUST do a minimum of 12 shots a year at a gun club. I love my 45, but also want to get a .22LR, 9mm semi auto and a 357 revelover (I allready have a lot of 9mm and 357 ammo), cheers, Glen

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    Welcome to the forum. and hello from Kentucky USA. Sounds like it is a lot of trouble to get started but after that you're not on all that bad of shape I guess. Jump on in and get your feet wet. There's a lot of good info around here. I look forward to seeing what you do in growing your collection.

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    Thanks to all for the welcome, Devils Johnson, once you get your hand gun license, its still an effort to keep it. You MUST belong to a pistol club, you MUST do a minimum of 12 shoots a year, you can only take your pistol to your house, the pistol range or a gun shop. If you get caught outside these areas, you have some explaining to do or you risk losing your license and guns!! the pistols MUST be kept in a police approved safe and the Police come around and check your guns that are on your license to make sure they are there, and they come around whenever they want. But it's a small price to pay I guess.

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    Smile Dang THat DJ and all his infernal questions!!

    Whew..Sounds like a mess. But If I were in your shoes I'd be willing to do it too I'd reckon.Do they keep tabs on your ammunition supplies as well? Can you reload ammunition there?Please pardon my ignorance but I find it best to ask someone directly rather than depend on what might be an unreliable source on some web page. I think it's great that we are getting new members in other countries. It's interesting to hear opinions that can be formed from such different sets of circumstances.

    I do enjoy learning things about other cultures and how they deal with things like this. We have a member in France that posts here some and it appears that he has many similar restrictions/guidelines he needs to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsJohnson View Post
    Whew..Sounds like a mess. But If I were in your shoes I'd be willing to do it too I'd reckon.Do they keep tabs on your ammunition supplies as well? Can you reload ammunition there?Please pardon my ignorance but I find it best to ask someone directly rather than depend on what might be an unreliable source on some web page. I think it's great that we are getting new members in other countries. It's interesting to hear opinions that can be formed from such different sets of circumstances.

    I do enjoy learning things about other cultures and how they deal with things like this. We have a member in France that posts here some and it appears that he has many similar restrictions/guidelines he needs to follow.
    Hey DJ, there is no such thing as a silly question, just a silly answer!! There is no tabs on ammo, you can shoot as much as you can afford. But 99% of shooters reload, a box of 45ACP American Eagle over here can cost around $70-$75 for50rds, so it pays to reload when you have the brass.There is a large range of projectiles and powders avaliable, so you can make what ever you want or your gun will take. The gun laws are pretty tight here, but thats a good thing IMO. As long as you get your head around the rules and follow them, there is never a problem. As for belonging to a club, it gives you somewhere to shoot with other like minded ppl and you can allways pick up good info and habbits from more experienced shooters, and for the 12 shoots a year, I am doing close to 25-30 shoots a year now, so thats no problem either. If I didnt have to work, I would be at the range every other day Theres not much point losing your marbels over the gun laws here, it wont get you anywhere, so you just jump through their hoops and ask 'how high'. If you have any questions DJ, just fire them through (excuse the punn) Cheers, Glen

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsJohnson View Post
    Whew..Sounds like a mess. But If I were in your shoes I'd be willing to do it too I'd reckon.Do they keep tabs on your ammunition supplies as well? Can you reload ammunition there?Please pardon my ignorance but I find it best to ask someone directly rather than depend on what might be an unreliable source on some web page. I think it's great that we are getting new members in other countries. It's interesting to hear opinions that can be formed from such different sets of circumstances.
    DJ, a question for you if you dont mind. Some of the other members are talking about harder gun control laws like they have in other states. Do the gun laws differ between states or is it all the same over the complete US?? Do you guys have to do anything to get a handgun?? Thanks, Glen

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    Hi Kiwiguy, welcome to the forum from Michigan..I can try to take a first attempt at answering your question, but I am sure the expert members in the forum will fill in with more details.

    The gun laws in the USA do differ from one state to another on some detailed level , however, they all abide by the Federal laws as well. I will leave the complete answer on this for other members to elaborate on it.

    As for the laws in Michigan, there are two optins to purchace a handgun:

    1) one has to apply for a purchase permit from the local police department, take an exam and get cleared for a background check. The permit is valid for 10 days to make your handgun purchase. After the purchase you have to send the registration papers to the police station. In this category of purchase, one is allowed to transport the gun as in unloaded condition in a case and in the trunk of the car to and from the placeof shooting or repair. The state law requires the gun be purchased with a lock to guarantee the safe keeping of the gun at home. Everytime you need to buy a new gun, you have to go through the same process of getting a purchase permit.

    2) The second option is to obtain a CCW (concealed carry weapon) license. This procedure requires that one take a certification class and to pass a background check and amore stringent requirements regarding previous felonies or troubles with the law, etc..However, once you get this license, then you can buy handguns with no need for a purchase permit.. However you have to register them locally.
    Also there is a procedure to maintain your CCW every 3 or 5 years (I am not sure of the time period, sorry)

    As for long guns (rifles and shotguns), well you don't need a permit for purchase, however you need to pass a background check, and the gun has to be purchased with a lock due to state laws.

    It is pretty much convenient and we are doing our best to keep it this way and not loos eour rights.

    Hope this would have helped.

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    Hello Kiwiguy from Arkansas. In Arkansas you can buy as many hand guns as you can afford at one time. All you need is a valid drivers license the dealer makes a quick phone call to the F.B.I. to check if you are a felon (Bad Guy)It's called a nic's check.While he is doing that you fill out a simple questionnaire with some of dumbest questions the government could think of.The whole thing takes about 15 minutes and your out the door with your guns.It is even quicker if you have a concealed carry permit. I hate to hear that you have to jump through so many hoops to own a single handgun but i fear that our new socialist/ I want to be king president is going to make it even harder on us than you have it . Good luck on your collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy View Post
    Hi Kiwiguy, welcome to the forum from Michigan..I can try to take a first attempt at answering your question, but I am sure the expert members in the forum will fill in with more details.

    The gun laws in the USA do differ from one state to another on some detailed level , however, they all abide by the Federal laws as well. I will leave the complete answer on this for other members to elaborate on it.

    As for the laws in Michigan, there are two optins to purchace a handgun:

    1) one has to apply for a purchase permit from the local police department, take an exam and get cleared for a background check. The permit is valid for 10 days to make your handgun purchase. After the purchase you have to send the registration papers to the police station. In this category of purchase, one is allowed to transport the gun as in unloaded condition in a case and in the trunk of the car to and from the placeof shooting or repair. The state law requires the gun be purchased with a lock to guarantee the safe keeping of the gun at home. Everytime you need to buy a new gun, you have to go through the same process of getting a purchase permit.

    2) The second option is to obtain a CCW (concealed carry weapon) license. This procedure requires that one take a certification class and to pass a background check and amore stringent requirements regarding previous felonies or troubles with the law, etc..However, once you get this license, then you can buy handguns with no need for a purchase permit.. However you have to register them locally.
    Also there is a procedure to maintain your CCW every 3 or 5 years (I am not sure of the time period, sorry)

    As for long guns (rifles and shotguns), well you don't need a permit for purchase, however you need to pass a background check, and the gun has to be purchased with a lock due to state laws.

    It is pretty much convenient and we are doing our best to keep it this way and not loos eour rights.

    Hope this would have helped.
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    Hello Kiwiguy from Arkansas. In Arkansas you can buy as many hand guns as you can afford at one time. All you need is a valid drivers license the dealer makes a quick phone call to the F.B.I. to check if you are a felon (Bad Guy)It's called a nic's check.While he is doing that you fill out a simple questionnaire with some of dumbest questions the government could think of.The whole thing takes about 15 minutes and your out the door with your guns.It is even quicker if you have a concealed carry permit. I hate to hear that you have to jump through so many hoops to own a single handgun but i fear that our new socialist/ I want to be king president is going to make it even harder on us than you have it . Good luck on your collection.
    Thanks for the replies guys. Wow, it does seem to go from one extreme to the other depending on your state laws. I do like the idea of walking into a gun shop with only a drivers licence and walking out with a few new pistols!!! It does seem like the same from your CCW to our B Endorsment Firearms licence. Once you get your B, your free to buy what ever you want and as many as you want(hand guns). Milatray style firearms, is another Endorsment you need to apply for, we call it an E Edorsment, or B Cat or E Cat for short.
    So with buying your handguns from a gunshop/dealer, you need to have a CCW or fill out the form, but what happens with the private sale of the handguns, do you have to check out the person you are selling a handgun to and do you have to 'change ownership' of the handgun to the next person??

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    In Arkansas there is no paperwork on private sales of handguns but when doing so you should use common sense and only sell them to someone you can trust. After all that handgun is registered in your name as the original owner.

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