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      I am not impressed with my brand new G43

      I spent a bit of time and some ammo on my G43 today and though the jury is still out, it needs a bit of tuning. At 15 yards the gun shoots 5" below POA. The ammo is WWB 115 gr. FMJ. The trigger on this little sweet heart is particularly stiff and abrupt, and I know the cure for that. I am just thinking that it would be nice to not have to tune a new $500 gun. The reason that I own it is because the Ruger LC9s that I bought originally pooped the bed with a striker malfunction after 35 live rounds and some dry firing (per the MFG. instructions). I realize that it is not a target pistol, but it sure doesn't act like the little brother to my G19.

      GW

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      Maybe ya should have looked into the SigSauer P938....... Just saying.....

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      Sorry to hear of your dissatisfaction, goldwing.

      Perhaps it'll shoot closer to POA with different/hotter loads.

      I've been wanting one of these, but I really don't NEED it, so I've been waiting, and collecting info such as you posted.
      Thanks for posting your experience, and if you try any other ammo, let us know how well and where it shoots for you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DJ Niner View Post
      Sorry to hear of your dissatisfaction, goldwing.

      Perhaps it'll shoot closer to POA with different/hotter loads.

      I've been wanting one of these, but I really don't NEED it, so I've been waiting, and collecting info such as you posted.
      Thanks for posting your experience, and if you try any other ammo, let us know how well and where it shoots for you.
      I have already researched trigger upgrades for the G43, and I am confident that with a $45 Ghost connector and a $.25 trigger job will make this gun a winner, I think that a quality gun, bought at a retail price should come out of the box kicking a$$. As always, if the dog won't hunt, I'll swap it for one that knows how.

      GW
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      If I remember correctly (which, at my age, is a sometime thing) heavier bullets hit higher, given the same aiming point.
      Maybe that's all you need. Try 158gr loads, and see what happens.

      I expect any properly zeroed pistol to shoot a little high high at 15 yards, not low.
      That leads me to suspect bullet weight as the culprit.
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      How light and short of a trigger pull do you want in a striker fired CCW pocket pistol with no external safety? Probably Glock's intention.

      Granted, we all have preferences, but I'd prefer a little heavier trigger as long as it broke clean and predictable w/o any major creep and wasn't too terribly heavy, lets say over 13 pounds. I'd just practice with it a little more, but again, I'm a DA/SA guy and have never shot a G43.

      I'd bench the pistol before I did anything else. Generally Glocks are pretty on from the factory in my experience, probably the concieved heavier pull has the shooter pulling the pistol down before the shot I would believe. But if it shoots 5 inches low from the bench then on to sights or bullet weight.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      If I remember correctly (which, at my age, is a sometime thing) heavier bullets hit higher, given the same aiming point.
      Maybe that's all you need. Try 158gr loads, and see what happens.

      I expect any properly zeroed pistol to shoot a little high high at 15 yards, not low.
      That leads me to suspect bullet weight as the culprit.


      I need to do more range time with the gun, but I shot it right after shooting my G19, and my Mark II Target which are both demonstrably to be tight on the ten ring. I don't want to carry a gun that makes me aim different from than guns that I know shoot straight. I will give it more time and boolits this weekend. I hope that it performs.

      GW

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      Here are the results of my last trip to the range with my G43. Target was set at 7 yards with rapid fire in strings of 5 rounds. In fairness my G43 has had some upgrades such as Taran Tactical plus 2 magazine base pad which not only gives me two more rounds but also a better grip, Talon grip, Truglo tritium/fiber optic sights, DPM recoil reduction system and a trigger job reducing trigger pull from 7.8 pounds to 5.7 pounds. In slow fire strings the G43 hits exactly where I aim. Great little gun.

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      Goody for you, sigmeister, but you've left out the important information: What bullet weight, at what velocity?

      Hey, GW: I hate to ask, but could your grip technique, and maybe your trigger technique, be at fault?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Goody for you, sigmeister, but you've left out the important information: What bullet weight, at what velocity?

      Hey, GW: I hate to ask, but could your grip technique, and maybe your trigger technique, be at fault?
      Of course it could! This is the first gun that I have had to shoot with my pinky finger doing nothing to support the gun. I will figure the gun out. It will perform like it should, I just need to take some time and it will be fine.

      GW

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      I have 400 to 500 rounds through my G43 now and the trigger has smoothed out some about 6 to 6.5 lbs with my crapy gauge. It is noticeably lighter than when the gun was new. I like the fact it is a little stiffer for such a small carry gun. It is still much lighter than any DA J-frame I've shot. I would definitely try to shoot from a rest. I see it as a close up and personal type gun but I bet it will do fine at 15 yards. I usually only put my targets out about 7 yards when I shoot mine. I find it easy to snap it left a little but I'm working on it. I think it is just a small light gun with a stiffer trigger than most are use to and it takes practice. Mine has also been 100% reliable.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Goody for you, sigmeister, but you've left out the important information: What bullet weight, at what velocity?

      Hey, GW: I hate to ask, but could your grip technique, and maybe your trigger technique, be at fault?

      "Goody for you, sigmeister" Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post? For what is worth the bullets used were factory new 124 grain. Sorry but I didn't check the velocity before I shot them.

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      Goldwing,

      Your comments are reminiscent of mine when I bought the S&W Shield. I fired a lot of practice rounds and had similar results to yours, which I blamed on the trigger. I finally replaced the trigger with an Apex aluminum 'straight' trigger and installed the Apex sear kit. This corrected the problem I was having, by moving the break point and the finish point forward. This problem was apparently unique to people with big hands, or at least with a longer than average trigger finger. I spent about $140 on the upgrade, which put me in Glock 43 territory (price-wise), but decided to go that route, rather than gamble on the same problem with the Glock.

      This doesn't help you, I know, but if Apex eventually makes this for your gun, it might be a worthwhile upgrade.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sigmeister View Post
      "Goody for you, sigmeister" Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your post?...
      Nope.
      Just an envious grin.

      If GW is using 115gr bullets, and he switches to 124gr such as you used, it would help him bring his groups down to his point of aim.
      However, he may be having grip and trigger problems too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Nope.
      Just an envious grin.

      If GW is using 115gr bullets, and he switches to 124gr such as you used, it would help him bring his groups down to his point of aim.
      However, he may be having grip and trigger problems too.

      Thanks. I like the 124gr 9mm must better than the 115r.

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      Quote Originally Posted by steve m1911a1 View Post
      nope.
      Just an envious grin.
      glock envy???

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Nope.
      Just an envious grin.

      If GW is using 115gr bullets, and he switches to 124gr such as you used, it would help him bring his groups down to his point of aim.
      However, he may be having grip and trigger problems too.
      The groups are low, not high.

      GW

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      Quote Originally Posted by goldwing View Post
      The groups are low, not high.

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      Yup. Got that.
      I had an old-age brain burp, and wrote the wrong direction.
      A heavier bullet will bring your groups up.

      Old-Age Brain Burp: Coming soon, to a head near you. Just wait.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rustygun View Post
      glock envy???
      When SailDesign was here, I might've admitted to, um, pinnace envy.
      But Glocks? Never.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      When SailDesign was here, I might've admitted to, um, pinnace envy.
      But Glocks? Never.
      I'm sure he will jump right back in to witness that confession!

      GW

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