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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Incorrect. The departments are going over to M&Ps heavily due to the ergonomics. The interchangeable back-straps allow everyone from a 5'1" female officer to a 6'5" male officer to be comfortable with the same platform. The newest Gen 4 Glocks have attempted this, but not as well, and their having MAJOR issues.

    That, and the S&W guns are American made with better customer service.

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    I don't see how incorrect fits in here.Some departments may be going to Smiths,but you really can't make a blanket statement about them all.It all comes down to what department heads decide what criteria they prefer in a gun's design and economics of a contract.Some departments have alot of political BS and issue a certain gun,some have a couple approved guns to pick from,and some will have a list of what they will accept if you don't want an issue sidearm and you can buy your own.1911s are generally shunned in LE,but some departments are run by people that can think for themselves and still allow 1911 carry.

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    All the LE's up by me carry Sig or HK..............

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    I think police departments choose Glock for the same reason I chose Glock. It is a good weapon with a long history of reliable function and durability. There are other guns that have longer histories but don't meet the design parameters regarding action, weight, round count, etc.

    Clearly a Government 1911 has the history, but it is heavy, single action only, and carries far fewer rounds.

    The Beretta has a long history too, but it is heavy.

    Locally they all use the S & W, which is a really nice weapon, but when I was shopping, it was fairly new and the compact version was not available.

    The military and police departments all like proven designs. New designs are admired, but most departments seem to want to wait until there is some significant history on the guns.

    The exception seems to be the proliferation of backup guns. And there have been several miscues on that front.

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    I shot a beretta yesterday and liked it quite a bit. Does the M&P have an extra safety on it?

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    My department purchased a large quantity of Glock 22's at $220 ea. Can Sig or HK match that price ? Probably not. Maintenance costs on Glocks are also very small also. Armorers course is a 4 hour class.

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    Damn thats cheap. Can you get me a bro deal?

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    Re: Why do cops prefer a glcok over any other gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    I shot a beretta yesterday and liked it quite a bit. Does the M&P have an extra safety on it?
    Some do, some don't.

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    Re: Why do cops prefer a glcok over any other gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    That particular gun referenced does not have one, but that style of gun does exist with a thumb safety...they have different SKU numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    ...Does the M&P have an extra safety on it?
    That "extra safety" you're asking for does not need to be on the gun.
    It needs to be "between your ears."
    The very most important safety device is your own brain.

    If your brain is not engaged and thinking clearly, none of the safeties on your gun will protect you—or someone else—from a negligent discharge (that is, an "accidental" shot).
    Some pistols have no mechanical safety device at all. (Most Kel-Tec pistols are good examples.) Nevertheless, they are perfectly safe to carry and use, if the carrier/user keeps his brain engaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    That "extra safety" you're asking for does not need to be on the gun.
    It needs to be "between your ears."
    The very most important safety device is your own brain.
    Everytime I quote this and see this line, I think of a post on here I saw way back. Some guy had shot himself in the groin (crotch whatever) with a taurus pistol despite the saftey being engaged. I think it was even a pink one...

    Say it with me, you are the saftey! lol

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    But wouldnt you agree that having a few safety interlocks isnt a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    But wouldnt you agree that having a few safety interlocks isnt a bad thing?
    Well, do keep in mind that Jake tends to prefer his firearms to be unloaded to start with....that's almost (IMHO "IS") too good a safety.


    Personally, I like a thumb safety. I'm not keen on the grip safety of the Springfield XD pistols as it also prevents slide travel, I don't care for slide mounted safeties like that of the Beretta 92FS and would have it converted to being de-cocker only. Reason being that when manipulating the slide by hand you can inadvertently engage the safety when you don't want to.

    The grip safety of the 1911 pattern pistol is OK in my book...as are the thumb safeties of the HK pistols, M&P pistols and some others such as CZ. I don't like the thumb safety of Ruger's current SR9/40 and LC9 pistols as I think they are too small to encourage positive engagement/disengagement. This is good for Ruger as it means that they don't have to market different guns like S&W and the M&P line for guns with and without thumb safeties. The Rugers mentioned have safeties small enough not to bother those that don't want them, which in my mind makes them too small for those that would want such a feature.

    One safety feature that I do not like, is the magazine disconnect, that prevents the gun from being fired without the magazine in place. Be very careful when shopping for guns in CA as many pistols on the DOJ approved list have this feature.


    I am of the opinion that I want my gun to go bang even if the magazine somehow manages to come unseated during my day.

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    duel post:

    I ended up getting the Beretta PX4 storm 9mm, i liked the extra safety considering its my first firearm, I was on the fence between the glock g17 and the Beretta. I figure its a good start and get some more weaponry within the next year.

    Thanks again for all the advice! You guys helped me out.

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