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    A shoulder rig is a good solution for those whe spend a lot of time in a vehicle. One gun, one holster, easy acess from any position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    New York is a concealed only state. Seated access is problematic. The way I see it I am not toting two guns, but rather I have access to one gun in each of two standing/seated positions.

    I still say if you pocket carry you are being negligent if you don't also carry on the ankle.
    That does make a difference. The normal (default, standard) mode of carry in Virginia is open. No permit is required for this mode of carry whereas to conceal, one must obtain a CHP (Concealed Handgun Permit).

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    What happens if you get caught with a concealed weapon in CA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    What happens if you get caught with a concealed weapon in CA?
    Ask a California-licensed attorney.
    Failing that, search California State's own law website. Look at the California Penal Code, perhaps starting at Section #12020.

    Years ago, when I lived in California, illegal concealed carry was a "wobbler." That is, it was the prosecutor's option to charge the gun carrier with either a misdemeanor or a felony. At that time, a non-predatory first offense was normally charged as a misdemeanor, while obviously-predatory carry and subsequent offenses were charged as felonies.
    However, I am certain that all of that has changed. New laws have been written, to go along with new attitudes toward guns.
    Therefore, I strongly suggest that you need to do some serious research.

    Every public library in California stocks a book called California Standard Codes.
    In this book, in easy-to-understand format, and with a very good index by topic, you will find all of the applicable laws.
    As stated above, look at the "weapon, concealed" topic of the California Penal Code, probably starting at Section #12020.

    Another source of information is your own county's law library, to which you are entitled free access. (In L.A., it's downtown, near the County Courts building.)
    The librarian will help you find the appropriate statutes and related case law.

    You might also be able to "sneak into" the UCLA Law Library, as I used to do. Just try to look as if you belong there.

    But nothing—absolutely nothing—beats asking an attorney. It's worth whatever it costs.

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    Or just abide by the rules and not carry a concealed weapon!

    Thanks for the response..

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    New York is a concealed only state.
    Can you cite this law please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    Can you cite this law please.
    If you are in a police or guard uniform you can carry open. Otherwise it must be concealed or you can be cited for disturbing the peace (and almost certainly lose your CCW permit).

    Some jurisdictions are stricter than others.

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    But what ever happened to the right to bear arms, bill of rights, passage #2?

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    But what ever happened to the right to bear arms, bill of rights, passage #2?
    Ask the California legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    But what ever happened to the right to bear arms, bill of rights, passage #2?
    California's state constitution is among the very few in the western US in which there is no mention of the right to keep and bear arms.

    This may have its historic origin in the land-ownership conflict between the resident Mexican families and the incoming Anglos, back in the middle 1800s. It may also be the result of what was a slave-owning independent nation coming into the Union as a free state, and the conflicts arising out of that. It may also stem from the preponderance of southern sympathizers, living in a state that (just barely) remained in the Union during the Civil War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Ask the California legislature.

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    I carry condition 1. The pistol won't fire otherwise
    A guy I know showed up at my house once after he got his concealed permit. He had a full size XD 40 down the pack of his pants! This was the one time where I thought, "Man I hope he's not condition 1." He was carrying it with an empty magazine. *FACEPALM*

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    I always carry handguns with a round in the chamber and in a proper holster. Currently, none of my carry guns have manual safeties or magazine disconnects.

    In the past, condition 1 with a 1911 made many people nervous. Mine were never drop safe, but I carried condition 1 anyway. Cocked and locked was the way.
    I have seen security camera footage of how many people actually react to an up close attack. One video was disturbing enough that I had trouble sleeping that night. The store owner was unable to get a single shot off and panicked, trying to rack the slide over and over. I think he had a manual safety blocking the slide movement. He died never figuring how to get his weapon in the fight.

    Another issue is that it is possible your first sign you are in a gun fight is when you are shot. Why make it tougher to get in the fight after an injury? Also, you may be using other arm for something such as moving innocents to out of the line of fire.

    A proper holster is essential along with trigger discipline.

    Remember, you already failed to see the attack unfolding; why handicap yourself even more?

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    so how about when you take it out of the holster? i actually got a blackhawk poly holster for my px4 storm. i must say its pretty nice and cant access the trigger. however im a newbie when it comes to hand guns, dont have the confidence yet to be running around condition 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    so how about when you take it out of the holster?...
    I don't understand your question.

    If your pistol is in its holster in Condition One, it comes out in Condition One.
    You would only press its safety lever to "off" when you are bringing it up to eye level, in preparation for taking a shot.
    When it's up at eye level, with its safety "off," and you are certain that you are going to fire, only then does your finger reach for the pistol's trigger.

    This whole sequence is simple if you break it down into separate steps. Then you must practice doing it, over and over again, until it becomes one smooth motion and almost automatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    I don't understand your question.

    If your pistol is in its holster in Condition One, it comes out in Condition One.
    You would only press its safety lever to "off" when you are bringing it up to eye level, in preparation for taking a shot.
    When it's up at eye level, with its safety "off," and you are certain that you are going to fire, only then does your finger reach for the pistol's trigger.

    This whole sequence is simple if you break it down into separate steps. Then you must practice doing it, over and over again, until it becomes one smooth motion and almost automatic.
    Do you find yourself more nervous when its in condition one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Do you find yourself more nervous when its in condition one?
    No.
    I am aware that my pistol is in Condition One.
    I am also aware that it is safely contained within its holster, with no access to either safety lever or trigger.
    Further, I never access my pistol without first thinking carefully about what I am about to do. I routinely access my pistol only when I go to bed, at which time I remove it from its holster and place it upon the table at my bedside. Other access times might be when I am displaying the gun to an interested friend, and, of course, when I might have to make a presentation in self-defense or in the defense of others.
    If I access my gun to show a friend, I follow an invariable, specific routine which ends up with me handing the friend a completely unloaded, wide-open pistol.
    Were I to access my pistol in self-defense, I would use a well-practiced, very specific series of actions as well.

    If you feel nervous handling a loaded gun, I suggest that you invest in some professional training.
    Once you have learned the safe routines of gun handling, all it takes is a whole lot of practice, by which you make those routines an invariable part of your life.

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    Condition 1 always..

    Put it this way.. if I wasn't comfortable carrying a firearm in condition 1 I'd be looking for a new firearm..
    My Kahr PM9 is my primary carry with no worries about condition 1..
    And I recently picked up a Glock 19.. what a shooter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    No.
    I am aware that my pistol is in Condition One.
    I am also aware that it is safely contained within its holster, with no access to either safety lever or trigger.
    Further, I never access my pistol without first thinking carefully about what I am about to do. I routinely access my pistol only when I go to bed, at which time I remove it from its holster and place it upon the table at my bedside. Other access times might be when I am displaying the gun to an interested friend, and, of course, when I might have to make a presentation in self-defense or in the defense of others.
    If I access my gun to show a friend, I follow an invariable, specific routine which ends up with me handing the friend a completely unloaded, wide-open pistol.
    Were I to access my pistol in self-defense, I would use a well-practiced, very specific series of actions as well.

    If you feel nervous handling a loaded gun, I suggest that you invest in some professional training.
    Once you have learned the safe routines of gun handling, all it takes is a whole lot of practice, by which you make those routines an invariable part of your life.
    Some good comments in there and I appreciate your honesty.

    I'm just saying that I'm a newbie, really like Beretta PX4 Storm, 9mm full version and its safety interlocks. I might venture into the G19 when I get some more confidence!

    Thanks again guys for the comments!

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Always carry with one in the chamber... when faced with a deadly force encounter you may not have time to chamber a round.

    I see students that always ask this and explain that they assume if they pull out their firearm and "rack a round" an intruder or threat will turn tail & leave... wishful thinking.

    Once you gain confidence in your skills and learn to employ safe handling of a firearm you not want to carry any other way.

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