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    exactly right,, i carry all my guns with one in the chamber except my GLOCK. trigger safety + single action mode very uncomfortable. but that's just me
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    I suggest that not feeling comfortable carrying a gun with one in the chamber is a sign that the person either doesn't trust their weapon or doesn't trust themself. Neither scenario is acceptable and changing the weapon you carry to one with safety features that make you feel better, becoming proficient with and trusting the weapon you have, or becoming personally proficient with weapons in general and learning to trust yourself are proper solutions. Carrying a firearm that is not ready to use is in my opinion a poor solution to fear of your weapon or yourself.

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    Glocks have 3 safeties. Pulling the trigger is the only way to bypass all 3. I guess some of you don't trust yourself to not pull the trigger unless you intend to. If I felt that way I wouldn't carry anything that goes boom.

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    I've tried to keep up with this thread but I may have missed reference to this MANUAL SAFETY KIT FOR GLOCKŪ, Cominolli Custom May be the answer to those who don't like to carry one in the chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    I've tried to keep up with this thread but I may have missed reference to this MANUAL SAFETY KIT FOR GLOCKŪ, Cominolli Custom May be the answer to those who don't like to carry one in the chamber.
    Might work for some, however the lack of a manual safety, simplicity of design and low number of parts are a few reasons why I carry a Glock. If I wanted a manual safety and more parts I would've bought something else. I'm not criticizing you for mentioning that product, just giving my opinion on it.

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    I wouldn't put on on one of my Glocks, as you say, that's the reason I like them (Glocks). I had a friend that put one on a G23 and he liked it, it was unobtrusive, and worked well. but, to me it kinda' defeats the purpose of the Glock type of trigger.

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    the glock is safety designed not to go off if dropped, very nice ,other then that if you pull the trigger it goes bang.
    an object of any kind could come in contact with the trigger and bang.I do not understand the idea of a trigger safety.
    keep your finger and everything else off the trigger until you decide to shoot.. well keeping my finger off the trigger is the easy part, it's everything else i worry about

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    Somebody else gets it.

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    Whether you choose to carry a round in the chamber or not should makes no difference to me it's your life not mine.

    If you are uncomfortable with your skill level or your firearm you should train more until you are comfortable but that is all up to you. The idea that you carry a round in the chamber sometimes and other times you don't when in a good neighborhood or whatever makes no sense. You will not dictate the circumstances of a SD encounter the other guy will you will simply be responding to his actions.

    When the time comes that you need your firearm you want to have the least amount of motions possible in order to use it. You need to practice consistent techniques so under stress you will be able to accomplish what you need to do.
    Yes with enough time and distance you may have enough time to draw, chamber, acquire and fire but what is that distance? You cannot draw your weapon on someone at 15 yards just to be ready for what they might do. It has been proven over and over again within 7 yards it is not happening. In extreme close quarters/contact distance you will not be able to draw and chamber while defending yourself and your firearm.

    At distances within six feet which is known as "Inside the hole" an attacker does not have to be a super ninja, certified in anything or even be armed. You will have at the most two seconds before he is in contact distance with his hands on you. He does not even have to be attempting to hurt you at this point all he has to do is interupt you thought process, known as the OODA loop OODA loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and from that point he can do what he wants. The OODA loop is used in virtually every decision we make from picking up a fork off the table to putting the turn signal on in your car. In a SD situation it will determine your reaction time to a given situation.

    Guns do not magically go off, become possessed, jump out of the holster and shoot someone. Guns go off because someone or something pulls the trigger. There are redundant safeties, internal or external, on a Glock or other weapons for that matter that prevent this. Unless there is something mechanically wrong with the gun it won't fire unless the trigger is pulled.

    If you feel uncomfortable carrying a round in the chamber try this. Load and chamber your pistol. Put it in the holster. Put the holster and gun on as a unit. Then leave it alone until you need it. You will find the gun just sits there. It does not attempt to leave the holster or do things on it's own nor does it decide to go off by accident. At the end of the day remove the holster and gun as a unit, clear it or not whatever you choose, and go on about your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Carrying the Glock with one in the chamber is no different that carrying a double action revolver with a loaded cylinder. Carry it loaded and ............... be ready.
    I carry revolvers (J-Frame S&W) or a Glock 23. I installed the NY#1 trigger kit so the pull is the same as my revolvers. The shooting will be under 15 Yards or I won't be shooting, I'll be hiding! Long, heavy trigger pull and keep finger off trigger is all the safeties I need.

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    If I carry a gun on my person, I don't care where I'm at, the gun will be loaded and ready to fire.

    To carry a gun and NOT have it loaded and ready to fire (I hate saying condition 1) is crazy.

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    Can't one go off while, one in the pipe? If you sit wrong?

    Seems pretty nutty but too each their own. Do cops have one in the pipe at all times?

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    If one does not carry with one in the pipe he puts his opponent one up on himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Can't one go off while, one in the pipe? If you sit wrong?

    Seems pretty nutty but too each their own. Do cops have one in the pipe at all times?

    Regarding the first question, a properly functioning firearm of modern design does not go off unless the trigger is pulled, if the trigger guard is properly covered and proper handling is performed there is nothing to worry about.


    Yes, Cops have one in the chamber at all times while on duty.

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    It's crazy to me to think that a bad guy threatening your life is more probable than of your gun malfunctioning (even if I specified malfunction to just accidental discharge). Seems one is about three to four times more likely than the other. Have any of you had to draw your handgun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    It's crazy to me to think that a bad guy threatening your life is more probable than of your gun malfunctioning (even if I specified malfunction to just accidental discharge). Seems one is about three to four times more likely than the other. Have any of you had to draw your handgun?
    Must respectfully wholeheartly disagree. Have never even gotten close to drawing my handgun in 15 years of concealed carry but if I had to I would want to be able to pull the trigger imediately without doing something else (like racking the slide).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    ...Have any of you had to draw your handgun?
    Yes, twice. But in neither case did I have to fire it.

    However, I've been carrying a concealed weapon for (probably) longer than you've been alive. Mostly I've carried a single-action 1911—loaded, cocked, and locked of course.
    For the past (approximately) 12 years, I've been carrying a DAO pocket-size .45 ACP, also fully loaded and ready to go.
    Now I carry a Colt's Pocket Hammerless in .380 ACP, also loaded, cocked, and locked.

    I have never—repeat, never—experienced an unintended discharge while I was carrying any pistol.

    (I did cause negligent discharges twice: Once when I was a stupid child and acted stupidly, and once after a match, when I put a round into the ground while unloading my pistol improperly.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Yes, twice. But in neither case did I have to fire it.

    However, I've been carrying a concealed weapon for (probably) longer than you've been alive. Mostly I've carried a single-action 1911—loaded, cocked, and locked of course.
    For the past (approximately) 12 years, I've been carrying a DAO pocket-size .45 ACP, also fully loaded and ready to go.
    Now I carry a Colt's Pocket Hammerless in .380 ACP, also loaded, cocked, and locked.

    I have never—repeat, never—experienced an unintended discharge while I was carrying any pistol.

    (I did cause negligent discharges twice: Once when I was a stupid child and acted stupidly, and once after a match, when I put a round into the ground while unloading my pistol improperly.)
    Steve, clear your messages. You are full! And I've got one incoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    It's crazy to me to think that a bad guy threatening your life is more probable than of your gun malfunctioning (even if I specified malfunction to just accidental discharge). Seems one is about three to four times more likely than the other. Have any of you had to draw your handgun?
    A pistol or revolver residing in a proper holster, designed to protect the trigger guard and which is not pliable to the point of encountering the trigger, has a very small chance of discharging the weapon inadvertently. Can't say zero percent, but probably less than the chance of getting attacked by a miscreant. Of course you are entitled to carry as you see fit, but do consider these very real scenarios.

    What are you going to do if your support hand and/or arm has been severely compromised (shot, stabbed, badly broken up with a bat or large piece of wood)? It is virtually impossible to train for this. Can you be certain that you will be able to work the slide of your sidearm, acquire your target, and deliver rounds accordingly should you need to do this?

    I would reiterate that the fewest impediments between drawing that gun and using it, the better your chance will be of surviving an extreme encounter. Working a slide to get your gun into full battery is a very serious impediment. In the 17 1/2 years I have been carrying on a regular basis, I have never had any problems whatsoever with unintended discharges. And this also goes for the entire close to 45 years I have used handguns. Proper equipment, proper handling techniques, proper attitude, and a healthy dose of common sense all go a very long way to keep you in one piece and your firearms safe and secure.

    I wish you well, but I strongly suggest that you giver very serious consideration to your stance on this issue if you're going to carry a sidearm for your protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    It's crazy to me to think that a bad guy threatening your life is more probable than of your gun malfunctioning (even if I specified malfunction to just accidental discharge). Seems one is about three to four times more likely than the other. Have any of you had to draw your handgun?
    After re-reading your post, it seems you are suggesting people legally carrying guns (police, ccw license holders, hunters, etc.) are three times more dangerous to themselves (and others) than are the thugs (with intent to be dangerous)? Is that what you're saying?

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