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    Listen, Im not trying to change anyones minds here, the fact that you guys carry makes me happy enough.

    Fact is though
    Accidental discharge is IMPOSSIBLE without a round in the chamber. Whether your carrying the most secure holster in the world or you've got 3 different safeties, if that round is in the pipe the gun can go off still due to various reasons. If your carrying in a place where people are around, that can be more dangerous then not having one in the hole when someone tries to mug you. If your in a area where you feel the need to put one in then do it for awhile. Or even if your driving, thats fine (avoid car jacking). But everywhere? No, thats putting people around me at risk.

    If an encounter where someone for some reason threatens to kill me before I can round a chamber and decide if I have to kill a human being today, then I did something really wrong...

    A guy I know was in a grocery store and the place was getting robbed. The robbers didn't know one of the stock guys had a gun. He chambered a round safely without them seeing and shot one while the other ran for the exit. My buddy said that it made him nervous seeing the guy not have a round already chambered, but everything worked out. I think the case where that didn't work out is rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pic View Post
    Should you keep your hand gun chambered in condition one or zero in the house when the gun is off your person?
    Short answer: No.


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    ...You might have kids running around...
    It's your responsibility to keep any gun out of the hands of unsupervised children, regardless of its condition. Period.
    It's also your responsibility to teach your children gun safety, and to make them gun-safe.
    That includes the Eddie Eagle "stop; don't touch; get an adult" mantra, but, in my mind, it also includes: "No, we don't 'play' guns. Guns aren't toys. But if you want to learn how to shoot, I'll teach you. We'll start with the safety rules, and when you've learned them really well, we'll try handling some guns for practice. Then you can learn to shoot."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    ...Accidental discharge is IMPOSSIBLE without a round in the chamber...
    Intentional discharge is also impossible without a round in the chamber.
    I sincerely hope that you will always be able to predict when you will need to be prepared to discharge your gun intentionally.
    I, on the other hand, am not as good as you are, at reading the minds of other people. That's why I carry a pistol that's always ready for immediate use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Wow,

    Well, I actually disagree with most of the people in here. How I carry depends greatly on where I am at. I prefer to carry a glock WITHOUT one in the chamber

    Say what you will about that, but 99.9% of the time the gun is staying holstered. The .1% of the time where it comes out I still have to decide whether to take someone's life or not. I'll use that extra millisecond of contemplation to rack the slide (with proper draw/rack training).

    You know if your riding around in the hood or something, you can chamber a round and then carry it. I do this kinda stuff all the time. But if your walking EVERYWHERE with a round in the chamber, kinda paranoid to me.

    Just my opinion.
    Really? Guess we have a whole lot of paranoid LEO's moving about in our nation's states. Don't imagine too many of them carry without one in the pipe. But then again, it IS your decision to take and only you will know if you took the right one if you ever have to use your sidearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    Jake, I do not think that prepared = paranoid. That said, I have a serious question for you.
    Have you practiced drawing and racking the slide before someone can cover 21 feet? 30 feet? 45 feet? Can you do it before the reach you each time?
    How about from 10 feet with a knife out?
    I, when presented this challenge, was unable to draw and wrack the slide. When I KNOW I have to (competition) draw an shoot, I can do so from IWB and concealment in under 2 seconds. I can cover 30 feet on the same time.

    Just some food for thought.
    Having to rack the slide to chamber a round under extreme conditions introduces a whole lot of variables into the equation. The possibility of one's hand slipping. What if the perp got off a shot and hit the victim's support hand? In the rush of the moment, you might have a failure to feed for a number of reasons. The extra manipulation of the gun opens the possibility of hitting the magazine release, not to mention having to punch out, acquire your target, and fire. I can think of a lot of other problems with this, but suffice it to say that the less you have to do between drawing the gun and firing it, the better your chances are of surviving an extreme encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Intentional discharge is also impossible without a round in the chamber.
    I sincerely hope that you will always be able to predict when you will need to be prepared to discharge your gun intentionally.
    I, on the other hand, am not as good as you are, at reading the minds of other people. That's why I carry a pistol that's always ready for immediate use.
    Amen to this.

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    Gentlemen, if I may divert slightly for a moment...

    I have been party to this same topic on other gun websites and frankly, have seen them escalate into emotional tirades by a few individuals who for whatever reason, could not accept the opinions and decisions of other site members. However this thread, and this group of submitters, have been civil and respectful and above reproach. I find this refreshing.

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    Lots of feedback here, I dont think anyone can possibly be RIGHT or WRONG...depends on your comfort level, skill level, and situation. I personally carried for the last 2-3 years with an empty chamber...out of fear. I now carry with one in the pipe because I think its generally smart practice for ME to be more confident ion myself and my gun. I may not carry C1 all the time 24/7 but I think it was a smart move to overcome my fears and realize that I have complete control while the gun is holstered now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Really? Guess we have a whole lot of paranoid LEO's moving about in our nation's states. Don't imagine too many of them carry without one in the pipe. But then again, it IS your decision to take and only you will know if you took the right one if you ever have to use your sidearm.
    To me LEOs are different, they should be vigilant because they have a big target on their back, cause you know their COPS.

    But your point about stress when racking the slide is valid... Hence why training is necessary and not to just expect that you will be able to. If you practice your draw you can eliminate this problem

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    Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Listen, Im not trying to change anyones minds here, the fact that you guys carry makes me happy enough.
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    I wasn't trying to change your mind. Just giving you some more food for thought.

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    SMan,I have to appologize for the icon screwup and the attitude,your post hit me as a bit different and I was trying to unwind from a day from hell,so sorry again.

    I can see your point of view from the military aspect,but I've only been in the LE and civie scene so I really don't think military.Don't hold it against me too much,ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    To me LEOs are different, they should be vigilant because they have a big target on their back, cause you know their COPS.

    But your point about stress when racking the slide is valid... Hence why training is necessary and not to just expect that you will be able to. If you practice your draw you can eliminate this problem
    It is a personal decision and I only hope for the best for the folks on this site. We talk about topics such as this not only to air our comments and opinions, but to get other takes on the issues at hand. Sometimes it's easy to overlook something which may ultimately force you to rethink how you go about armed. It's all good and I'm quite sure most of us hope we can help members as much as we can.

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    I don't always carry a Glock, but when I do, it's properly loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    I hope you're joking. That is a ridiculous gimmick. Chamber a round then holster the weapon. In a proper holster, not some foolish gadget.


    I feel like my suggestion and comment got shoved to that back so I'm just bumping it back in.

    I was only half joking with this one. I first heard of it on an episode of "Deadliest Warrior" season 1 episode 6 Green Beret vs. Spetznaz the pistol holster combo is talked about 30 minutes into the episode. Deadliest Warrior is on netflix instant and originally played on Spike's

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Wow,

    Well, I actually disagree with most of the people in here. How I carry depends greatly on where I am at. I prefer to carry a glock WITHOUT one in the chamber

    Say what you will about that, but 99.9% of the time the gun is staying holstered. The .1% of the time where it comes out I still have to decide whether to take someone's life or not. I'll use that extra millisecond of contemplation to rack the slide (with proper draw/rack training).

    You know if your riding around in the hood or something, you can chamber a round and then carry it. I do this kinda stuff all the time. But if your walking EVERYWHERE with a round in the chamber, kinda paranoid to me.

    Just my opinion.
    I think your decision on this subject is predicated on the idea that you will be able to think everything through at the moment of truth. I doubt that will happen.

    And the idea that you can sometimes carry with one in the chamber and sometimes not is also unrealistic. When you are caught by surprise and fighting back panic, are you sure you will know whether your weapon is ready?

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    Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Wow,

    Well, I actually disagree with most of the people in here. How I carry depends greatly on where I am at. I prefer to carry a glock WITHOUT one in the chamber

    Say what you will about that, but 99.9% of the time the gun is staying holstered. The .1% of the time where it comes out I still have to decide whether to take someone's life or not. I'll use that extra millisecond of contemplation to rack the slide (with proper draw/rack training).

    You know if your riding around in the hood or something, you can chamber a round and then carry it. I do this kinda stuff all the time. But if your walking EVERYWHERE with a round in the chamber, kinda paranoid to me.

    Just my opinion.
    Like the others, I respectfully disagree with you on two counts. For reasons already stated, I carry with one in the chamber (along with the fact that it adds one extra round capacity to your gun, which may/may not matter to you.)

    The other concern I have is with your suggestion to carry unloaded most of the time and to load the chamber if you find yourself in an "iffy" situation. If you practice to draw/load chamber/fire, you must change your draw stroke (fighting your practice and muscle memory) in that "iffy" situation, when you are pressed for time and are under stress. In my opinion, it would be best to carry the same (whichever method you choose) under every circumstance. That way you can practice and hopefully it will become second nature when you draw under stress.

    YMMV.

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    These last 2 posts should cause a pause for you.Do you Concealed carry?At home is one thing,concealed is a whole new ballgame.A seemingly emaningless pandering at a gas pump,storefront,etc has screwed quite a few people.As stated earlier,try the Teulla (sp?) drill.AT 21ft/7yds you better be damn good and practiced to clear leather and get off a shot,and he's on you when you do-you are stabbed/gutted.Don't think a 250lb+ person is easily handled,their leg muscles are quite strong and they can cover that distance in mind blowing speed,they just can't last much beyond that.

    I have a simple thought on this.At home if the hammer is down the chamber's empty and I can Israeli it,otherwise it's ready to rock.Another reason I don't like striker guns,I'm not looking for some retart loaded chamber indicator the deusche lawyers made happen.If you need one of those to know the gun is loaded,you need a wife to tell you to wipe your ass.Sorry,but it's a no-brainer.

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    I suggest that not feeling comfortable carrying a gun with one in the chamber is a sign that the person either doesn't trust their weapon or doesn't trust themself. Neither scenario is acceptable and changing the weapon you carry to one with safety features that make you feel better, becoming proficient with and trusting the weapon you have, or becoming personally proficient with weapons in general and learning to trust yourself are proper solutions. Carrying a firearm that is not ready to use is in my opinion a poor solution to fear of your weapon or yourself.

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    I would suggest, that carrying your firearm without one in the chamber is foolish........If carrying a Glock with one in the chamber bothers you, I would suggest that you either not carry, or get a different firearm. It takes enough time to draw your firearm, much less, having to rack one into the hole, before using.

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    I recently watched a YouTube surveillance video of a store owner attempt to rack his gun during an armed hold up and he was so nervous he could not rack the slide and he was shot dead while trying to rack. Don't be a fool pack Hot in a good holster or leave the weapon home.

    Racking will kill you. No bad guy will give you the time to rack.

    Russ

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