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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Intentional discharge is also impossible without a round in the chamber.
    I sincerely hope that you will always be able to predict when you will need to be prepared to discharge your gun intentionally.
    I, on the other hand, am not as good as you are, at reading the minds of other people. That's why I carry a pistol that's always ready for immediate use.
    Amen to this.

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    Gentlemen, if I may divert slightly for a moment...

    I have been party to this same topic on other gun websites and frankly, have seen them escalate into emotional tirades by a few individuals who for whatever reason, could not accept the opinions and decisions of other site members. However this thread, and this group of submitters, have been civil and respectful and above reproach. I find this refreshing.

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    Lots of feedback here, I dont think anyone can possibly be RIGHT or WRONG...depends on your comfort level, skill level, and situation. I personally carried for the last 2-3 years with an empty chamber...out of fear. I now carry with one in the pipe because I think its generally smart practice for ME to be more confident ion myself and my gun. I may not carry C1 all the time 24/7 but I think it was a smart move to overcome my fears and realize that I have complete control while the gun is holstered now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Really? Guess we have a whole lot of paranoid LEO's moving about in our nation's states. Don't imagine too many of them carry without one in the pipe. But then again, it IS your decision to take and only you will know if you took the right one if you ever have to use your sidearm.
    To me LEOs are different, they should be vigilant because they have a big target on their back, cause you know their COPS.

    But your point about stress when racking the slide is valid... Hence why training is necessary and not to just expect that you will be able to. If you practice your draw you can eliminate this problem

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    Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

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    Listen, Im not trying to change anyones minds here, the fact that you guys carry makes me happy enough.
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    I wasn't trying to change your mind. Just giving you some more food for thought.

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    SMan,I have to appologize for the icon screwup and the attitude,your post hit me as a bit different and I was trying to unwind from a day from hell,so sorry again.

    I can see your point of view from the military aspect,but I've only been in the LE and civie scene so I really don't think military.Don't hold it against me too much,ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    To me LEOs are different, they should be vigilant because they have a big target on their back, cause you know their COPS.

    But your point about stress when racking the slide is valid... Hence why training is necessary and not to just expect that you will be able to. If you practice your draw you can eliminate this problem
    It is a personal decision and I only hope for the best for the folks on this site. We talk about topics such as this not only to air our comments and opinions, but to get other takes on the issues at hand. Sometimes it's easy to overlook something which may ultimately force you to rethink how you go about armed. It's all good and I'm quite sure most of us hope we can help members as much as we can.

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    Re: Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    I don't always carry a Glock, but when I do, it's properly loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    I hope you're joking. That is a ridiculous gimmick. Chamber a round then holster the weapon. In a proper holster, not some foolish gadget.


    I feel like my suggestion and comment got shoved to that back so I'm just bumping it back in.

    I was only half joking with this one. I first heard of it on an episode of "Deadliest Warrior" season 1 episode 6 Green Beret vs. Spetznaz the pistol holster combo is talked about 30 minutes into the episode. Deadliest Warrior is on netflix instant and originally played on Spike's

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Wow,

    Well, I actually disagree with most of the people in here. How I carry depends greatly on where I am at. I prefer to carry a glock WITHOUT one in the chamber

    Say what you will about that, but 99.9% of the time the gun is staying holstered. The .1% of the time where it comes out I still have to decide whether to take someone's life or not. I'll use that extra millisecond of contemplation to rack the slide (with proper draw/rack training).

    You know if your riding around in the hood or something, you can chamber a round and then carry it. I do this kinda stuff all the time. But if your walking EVERYWHERE with a round in the chamber, kinda paranoid to me.

    Just my opinion.
    I think your decision on this subject is predicated on the idea that you will be able to think everything through at the moment of truth. I doubt that will happen.

    And the idea that you can sometimes carry with one in the chamber and sometimes not is also unrealistic. When you are caught by surprise and fighting back panic, are you sure you will know whether your weapon is ready?

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    Do you carry your Glock condition 1?

    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Wow,

    Well, I actually disagree with most of the people in here. How I carry depends greatly on where I am at. I prefer to carry a glock WITHOUT one in the chamber

    Say what you will about that, but 99.9% of the time the gun is staying holstered. The .1% of the time where it comes out I still have to decide whether to take someone's life or not. I'll use that extra millisecond of contemplation to rack the slide (with proper draw/rack training).

    You know if your riding around in the hood or something, you can chamber a round and then carry it. I do this kinda stuff all the time. But if your walking EVERYWHERE with a round in the chamber, kinda paranoid to me.

    Just my opinion.
    Like the others, I respectfully disagree with you on two counts. For reasons already stated, I carry with one in the chamber (along with the fact that it adds one extra round capacity to your gun, which may/may not matter to you.)

    The other concern I have is with your suggestion to carry unloaded most of the time and to load the chamber if you find yourself in an "iffy" situation. If you practice to draw/load chamber/fire, you must change your draw stroke (fighting your practice and muscle memory) in that "iffy" situation, when you are pressed for time and are under stress. In my opinion, it would be best to carry the same (whichever method you choose) under every circumstance. That way you can practice and hopefully it will become second nature when you draw under stress.

    YMMV.

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    These last 2 posts should cause a pause for you.Do you Concealed carry?At home is one thing,concealed is a whole new ballgame.A seemingly emaningless pandering at a gas pump,storefront,etc has screwed quite a few people.As stated earlier,try the Teulla (sp?) drill.AT 21ft/7yds you better be damn good and practiced to clear leather and get off a shot,and he's on you when you do-you are stabbed/gutted.Don't think a 250lb+ person is easily handled,their leg muscles are quite strong and they can cover that distance in mind blowing speed,they just can't last much beyond that.

    I have a simple thought on this.At home if the hammer is down the chamber's empty and I can Israeli it,otherwise it's ready to rock.Another reason I don't like striker guns,I'm not looking for some retart loaded chamber indicator the deusche lawyers made happen.If you need one of those to know the gun is loaded,you need a wife to tell you to wipe your ass.Sorry,but it's a no-brainer.

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    I suggest that not feeling comfortable carrying a gun with one in the chamber is a sign that the person either doesn't trust their weapon or doesn't trust themself. Neither scenario is acceptable and changing the weapon you carry to one with safety features that make you feel better, becoming proficient with and trusting the weapon you have, or becoming personally proficient with weapons in general and learning to trust yourself are proper solutions. Carrying a firearm that is not ready to use is in my opinion a poor solution to fear of your weapon or yourself.

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    I would suggest, that carrying your firearm without one in the chamber is foolish........If carrying a Glock with one in the chamber bothers you, I would suggest that you either not carry, or get a different firearm. It takes enough time to draw your firearm, much less, having to rack one into the hole, before using.

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    I recently watched a YouTube surveillance video of a store owner attempt to rack his gun during an armed hold up and he was so nervous he could not rack the slide and he was shot dead while trying to rack. Don't be a fool pack Hot in a good holster or leave the weapon home.

    Racking will kill you. No bad guy will give you the time to rack.

    Russ

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    exactly right,, i carry all my guns with one in the chamber except my GLOCK. trigger safety + single action mode very uncomfortable. but that's just me
    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    I suggest that not feeling comfortable carrying a gun with one in the chamber is a sign that the person either doesn't trust their weapon or doesn't trust themself. Neither scenario is acceptable and changing the weapon you carry to one with safety features that make you feel better, becoming proficient with and trusting the weapon you have, or becoming personally proficient with weapons in general and learning to trust yourself are proper solutions. Carrying a firearm that is not ready to use is in my opinion a poor solution to fear of your weapon or yourself.

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    Glocks have 3 safeties. Pulling the trigger is the only way to bypass all 3. I guess some of you don't trust yourself to not pull the trigger unless you intend to. If I felt that way I wouldn't carry anything that goes boom.

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    I've tried to keep up with this thread but I may have missed reference to this MANUAL SAFETY KIT FOR GLOCKŪ, Cominolli Custom May be the answer to those who don't like to carry one in the chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    I've tried to keep up with this thread but I may have missed reference to this MANUAL SAFETY KIT FOR GLOCKŪ, Cominolli Custom May be the answer to those who don't like to carry one in the chamber.
    Might work for some, however the lack of a manual safety, simplicity of design and low number of parts are a few reasons why I carry a Glock. If I wanted a manual safety and more parts I would've bought something else. I'm not criticizing you for mentioning that product, just giving my opinion on it.

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    I wouldn't put on on one of my Glocks, as you say, that's the reason I like them (Glocks). I had a friend that put one on a G23 and he liked it, it was unobtrusive, and worked well. but, to me it kinda' defeats the purpose of the Glock type of trigger.

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    the glock is safety designed not to go off if dropped, very nice ,other then that if you pull the trigger it goes bang.
    an object of any kind could come in contact with the trigger and bang.I do not understand the idea of a trigger safety.
    keep your finger and everything else off the trigger until you decide to shoot.. well keeping my finger off the trigger is the easy part, it's everything else i worry about

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    Somebody else gets it.

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    Whether you choose to carry a round in the chamber or not should makes no difference to me it's your life not mine.

    If you are uncomfortable with your skill level or your firearm you should train more until you are comfortable but that is all up to you. The idea that you carry a round in the chamber sometimes and other times you don't when in a good neighborhood or whatever makes no sense. You will not dictate the circumstances of a SD encounter the other guy will you will simply be responding to his actions.

    When the time comes that you need your firearm you want to have the least amount of motions possible in order to use it. You need to practice consistent techniques so under stress you will be able to accomplish what you need to do.
    Yes with enough time and distance you may have enough time to draw, chamber, acquire and fire but what is that distance? You cannot draw your weapon on someone at 15 yards just to be ready for what they might do. It has been proven over and over again within 7 yards it is not happening. In extreme close quarters/contact distance you will not be able to draw and chamber while defending yourself and your firearm.

    At distances within six feet which is known as "Inside the hole" an attacker does not have to be a super ninja, certified in anything or even be armed. You will have at the most two seconds before he is in contact distance with his hands on you. He does not even have to be attempting to hurt you at this point all he has to do is interupt you thought process, known as the OODA loop OODA loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and from that point he can do what he wants. The OODA loop is used in virtually every decision we make from picking up a fork off the table to putting the turn signal on in your car. In a SD situation it will determine your reaction time to a given situation.

    Guns do not magically go off, become possessed, jump out of the holster and shoot someone. Guns go off because someone or something pulls the trigger. There are redundant safeties, internal or external, on a Glock or other weapons for that matter that prevent this. Unless there is something mechanically wrong with the gun it won't fire unless the trigger is pulled.

    If you feel uncomfortable carrying a round in the chamber try this. Load and chamber your pistol. Put it in the holster. Put the holster and gun on as a unit. Then leave it alone until you need it. You will find the gun just sits there. It does not attempt to leave the holster or do things on it's own nor does it decide to go off by accident. At the end of the day remove the holster and gun as a unit, clear it or not whatever you choose, and go on about your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Carrying the Glock with one in the chamber is no different that carrying a double action revolver with a loaded cylinder. Carry it loaded and ............... be ready.
    I carry revolvers (J-Frame S&W) or a Glock 23. I installed the NY#1 trigger kit so the pull is the same as my revolvers. The shooting will be under 15 Yards or I won't be shooting, I'll be hiding! Long, heavy trigger pull and keep finger off trigger is all the safeties I need.

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