How is the usp? Unfortunately I have only seen it in video games but I hear it's fast and accurate. And shipwreck, shouldn't the synagogue have a desert eagle I apologize about seeming extreme about glocks. Just like sparking debates. Didn't mean to offend or disturb anyone. Actually my favorite gun my dad gave me was a ruger lcp. The only problem is it jams on the last round every time. So to fix the problem I have to load 7 fmj rounds with the last being a holo point.

Originally Posted by Map9690

And shipwreck, shouldn't the synagogue have a desert eagle

No, they are smarter at that synagogue and know the truth. Beretta is better

No offense taken at all man,a little debating is good until it gets rude and out of hand.

Have you tried a new mag spring in the Ruger? You're getting an inertia feed from lack of tension on the last round,or occasionally a boltover but they aren't very common.

You're definately going to have to put your hands on a USP to know if you like it because there are 4 frames:the 9/40,9/40 compact,45,and 45 compact.It's been a long time since I shot a 9,but I like the 45 round and bought the fullsize Tactical for the reason it already had the match trigger in it,had adjustable sights and if I decide to put a can on it,the barrel is already threaded and the gun was designed to live with one attatched.You can put a threaded barrel in a standard model and will shoot just fine,but there is a slight difference in the recoil system.

The fullsize 45 is pretty big being the largest of the frames,but the grip isn't much larger than a Beretta 92 to me.I've had it for 2 years but haven't really put many rounds through it due to time and finding the right front sight heighth.Some people tend to shoot low with the USP,and I seem to be one.I think the big problem is the lack of recoil,which a looser grip would help,but I hold all my pistols the same so I'm not changing that.These things are freakin' accurate,and the recoil system really absorbs recoil in these frames.The buffer spring works twice,when the barrel unlocks it buffers that,resets foward on extraction and then buffers the slide impact at full rear stop.Some say the first buffering distracts them in sight tracking but I can't see the stutter.I don't recall the exact numbers,but the recoil system works so well that the force transfered to the frame is like 1/7 that of a normal 45 recoil system,cool design.

About the only cons to it are the size,the price,and some complain about the triggers,but none of it bothers me.The trigger and safety are modular with 9 variations,DAO and left and right safety for SA and DA/SA.The stock DAO sucks,but there are a few variations that can get you down to a 5lb pull.Then you have the match trigger in the 45 FS,but it can be installed in the 45 compact without the trigger itself.If you want a trigger stop you'd have to drill and tap the compact's trigger.Some complain about the reset being long but I find no issue of it being insane.I think too much is made out of reset,too little and you can bump fire it,and Jerry Mikuleck doesn't seem to be slowed down with the insane reset of a revolver.

If you can shoot one or a few,try one out for poops and giggles,they are unique.Kind of like Glock,some love them some don't,but not as bad as the Glocks.I'm a 1911 diehard and there is a bit of influence there in the design of the USP,so that's a plus.HK's mag releases are the gig,I'd love one on my 1911s but that just isn't going to happen.I don't think much of plastic period,but this gun impressed me enough to break down and get it.This is the only pistol that could dethrone the 1911 for me.

Later man.

That's awesome they have a USP that uses 9mm Luger. I also buy guns that my girlfriend can use and that's primarily why I chose glock. She dropped it once and concrete while cleaning it in our garage and the sights broke off. So I bought some truglow fiber oPtics. I would love to buy a 1911 but I can't afford it right now. There's a reason it's so popular and I believe it has something to do with winning two world wars maybe lol. But she has shot a 45 and it hurts her wrist. I will say glocks are annoying to cc. And the compact models don't fit my hand well.

I don't know about the 9s,but the 45 slide is pretty wide like the Glock but not such a block.The P30 and P2000 may be a little thinner but I don't know.

I did forget a bad point,HK mags are close to $60,that sucks bigtime.

I know what you mean about money,the economy here has been so bad I've lost about 1/2 my income 5 years ago.Boy does that put a kink in the gun budget.I'm trying to go through the Commander I carry to get it the way I like them set up but rebuilding the girlfriend's Harley and keeping mine up until I can go through it doesn't help the matter any.Thank God I reload to save some there.

Glock is better than many guns, so are: H&K, Sig, CZ, Beretta, Kahr, Ed brown, Colt, M&P, XDM, Walther, etc........They are all better than a Highpoint, but when you group all the better ones together it's purely a matter of subjective personal preference. #1 criteria for me is reliability. Glock, I don't believe there is any pistol w/ fewer parts, cheaper priced parts and accessories, light weight, somewhat easy to completey disasemble, consistent trigger albeit staple gun like and somewhat easy to master along with exceptional customer service and proven track record. Great pistol and company.

Originally Posted by Packard

I have two. The deciding factor for me was that it was a proven weapon (proven over many years and in lots of police departments).

If the selection criteria is "proven over many years", then holler when the Glock has the same track record as the 1911. Most police departments accept the cheapest bid.

I'd own a Glock if I didn't have to handle it, or look at it, but that's just my opinion. Looks aren't important? What first drew your attention to the vehicle you're driving? The maintenance requirements? Not likely.

I'll bet you paid more for your vehicle than your carry gun, and I'll bet you liked the looks of your tens of thousands of dollars worth of vehicle, before you considered reliability or quality

It's personal preference. There is no right or wrong. Just send me what you want me to have. My local FFL dealer will gladly accept transfers from non-FFL holders with proper identification.

Originally Posted by denner

Glock, I don't believe there is any pistol w/ fewer parts, somewhat easy to completey disasemble.

I think our definitions of fewer parts and Completely disassemble are different. the exploded views of a 1911 and a glock have ruffly the same parts and on the glock they didn't take apart the trigger all the way and the 1911 they counted the grip panels which really wouldn't be needed.

My car was a gift for graduating college. Can't speak for others but ya I have spent more on my glock then a car. So that kinda punches a whole in that comparison. And it is a jeep. Not the most beautiful car. But reliable.

Originally Posted by Map9690

My car was a gift for graduating college. Can't speak for others but ya I have spent more on my glock then a car. So that kinda punches a whole in that comparison. And it is a jeep. Not the most beautiful car. But reliable.

ok, buy me a Glock, and I'll own one.

If I win the lotto you bet. Stipulation 1: you have to shoot it 2: you have to say thank you

I do shoot them.... quite well, as a matter of fact. I just don't like their ergonomics, or their looks.

I'm old, so "thank you" will not be a problem.

I would also like to say that nothing screams "America " more then a 1911. Maybe a Winchester 45 level action rifle. But I find glock to be more intuitive then other guns as well.

Originally Posted by Map9690

Is there anything else to say? Let me know how you guys feel about glocks.

I have always been a fan of Glock pistols. I like the grip angle better than even my Berettas, but I like the overall look and lines of a Beretta over the Glock. You can't deny the obvious that the Glock pistol is a very well built and dependable firearm.

Originally Posted by Map9690

Is there anything else to say? Let me know how you guys feel about glocks.

I think they are very cheap made...dangerous gun. You settle for less when you buy one. Get a good Ruger or S&W M&P.....nuff said.

Nah like I said before I have a ruger lcp and wasn't to impressed.

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

Glock magazines stick in the gun if they're not completely empty, which I don't like; but if you don't mind pulling magazines out, you made the right choice.
Glocks come with fragile plastic sights, which rip off if I try to rack the slide on my belt.

Everybody knows the stock sights are slot fillers until proper ones are installed and if you keep the mags downloaded by one they will not bulge and stick even when loaded.

Originally Posted by Map9690

I would also like to say that nothing screams "America " more then a 1911...

Is that bad?

Originally Posted by Map9690

Maybe a Winchester 45 level action rifle...

Actually, it would more likely be a Winchester M.73 in .44-40, or a M.94 in .30-30.

Originally Posted by Map9690

But I find glock to be more intuitive then other guns as well.

"The original point-and-click interface."
Like computers, it has its flaws. But it does the job.
As with computers—some of us like the Apple, and some the Microsoft version—some don't fit well into the Glock gestalt.

Originally Posted by SMann

Everybody knows the stock sights are slot fillers until proper ones are installed and if you keep the mags downloaded by one they will not bulge and stick even when loaded.

So, let me get this straight:
The Glock pistol is but the basic, incomplete part of a do-it-yourself kit?
And their high-capacity magazines are actually one-cartridge-fewer-than-high-capacity magazines?

I prefer buying factory-completed guns that work properly, right out of the box.

Oh don't get me started on Mac and apple. And I haven't had the magazine issue. Even with all 17 it doesn't stick for me. And I didn't mind the stock sights. They worked just fine.

My Glock has yet to fail to fire or fail to feed, which makes it my most reliable pistol. My Beretta has only failed me once and has actually shot more rounds than the Glock. My colt 1911 acp can be a bit picky on what rounds it likes to cycle. Anything that looks like a fmj it will cyle fine, anything that has a wide hollow point it struggles to cycle. I like my 1911, but it's not the Holy grail of firearms. For those who love Berettas I like them also, if you love 1911's that's fine too. I certainly understand why some folks love the Glock, they are great pistols. I can shoot my Glock more accurately than I can ever shoot my 1911. It holds more rounds and shoots whatever I put through it. I still have stock sights on my pistol and have never had an issue. Finally, my Glock is a good lookin pistol

Originally Posted by usmcj

If the selection criteria is "proven over many years", then holler when the Glock has the same track record as the 1911. Most police departments accept the cheapest bid.

I'd own a Glock if I didn't have to handle it, or look at it, but that's just my opinion. Looks aren't important? What first drew your attention to the vehicle you're driving? The maintenance requirements? Not likely.

I'll bet you paid more for your vehicle than your carry gun, and I'll bet you liked the looks of your tens of thousands of dollars worth of vehicle, before you considered reliability or quality

It's personal preference. There is no right or wrong. Just send me what you want me to have. My local FFL dealer will gladly accept transfers from non-FFL holders with proper identification.

I've owned 1911s, and in fact the stainless steel Gold Cup was easily my most accurate weapon, and the one I shot best. But I don't believe in toggling back and forth between DAO and SA weapons. It is a recipe for disaster. So once I got my first Glock I locked in on DAO weapons (G23, G27, S & W 640 Pro, S& W 340PD, S & W 63, Ruger SP101).

As far as ergonomics go, the blocky grip makes no difference to me. Only the trigger reach and grip angle really matter. Even the pinky hanging under the G27 does not affect me noticably. Aesthetics are another matter entirely. I keep my weapons clean and lubricated; I don't polish them or coddle them. I don't pay too much attention to the appearance as long as they are reliable and accurate.

Both my Glocks (just over a year old each) have been 100% reliable for me. As a pair (I always carry both or swap off the G23 for the S & W 640) they are the most reliable autos I've ever owned (and I've owned many autos).

If I had decided to go with SA weapons, there are now nice choices that were not available when I bought the first Glock. Sig Sauer's offerings would tempt me, but then I'd have to sell all of my DAO weapons to make that switch (and I love my revolvers).

Every one has their own opinion.

That said - I do not care for Glocks

I've owned 3 Glocks in past years and have sold them all except one.

To me they are ugly guns.

They do not fit my hands well.

I don't care for the grip angle at all.

Other than that they are great guns ... for other people to own.

Originally Posted by Packard

But I don't believe in toggling back and forth between DAO and SA weapons. It is a recipe for disaster. So once I got my first Glock I locked in on DAO weapons (G23, G27, S & W 640 Pro, S& W 340PD, S & W 63, Ruger SP101).

With all due respect,I think the first statement limits your abilities as a well rounded shooter.On duty and combat competition I've carried revolver,DA/SA and SA (concealed and matches,couldn't carry SA in my Dep't.).I practice enough my hand knows what gun it is and the thumb and index finger know just what to do without reminding myself about it.Even when the Glocks were approved I kept my Beretta,but I wasn't fond of anything about the Glocks as everyone knows.

While the Glock is touted as a DOA,and technically is,unless you're running the NY connector I consider it nothing but a crappy SA.A revolver and early DOA is DA to me,a long heavy stroke.Long being the key point,I've shot some tricked out revolvers that were far from a heavy pull.I see the partial cocking of the striker spring or the hammer in HK's unique setup really just excess creep and takeup in a SA,you have a bit of loaded takeup with a break on par with a heavy SA pull.

Just my view on the subject,when I got into handguns I was told to diversify and learn how to shoot all the trigger groups to be well rounded and proficient,you may never know what you'll be stuck with in an emergency so know how to use anything.I'm still a 1911 diehard so my DA skills aren't what they were when I could shoot alot,but I can still shoot them with combat accuracy should the need arise.