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    Sure Steve I feel much better. In fact it's the happiest ive ever been. Anymore motivational speeches?
    ( looks like the devil got to me too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Map9690 View Post
    Is there anything else to say? Let me know how you guys feel about glocks.
    You asked......

    If you gave me one I'd sell it.I shot one in 1988 and thought it sucked,and think less of the company itself after hearing about their arrogant attitude and tactics.I shot one a few years later and it didn't change my mind any.

    As Steve said,the ergos suck,the sights suck,and I think the swelling mags is a touch dumb.What I find really dumb is where they put the safety,even an inbred retart would question the logic of putting the safety in the damn trigger itself.What that tells me is the gun was designed for idiots that aren't bright enough to operate a normal safety or stay off the mag release-my God,is opperating a rifle way over their head?

    I've never heard of Colt or HK leg either.Seems Glock wins the prize for idiots booting one in their leg, or their hand field stripping it-anothe bright freakin' idea there!

    I never verified it but I heard reports in the early years some departments got a spiel about Glock' innovative polymer frame and polygonal bore-beep,wrong answer considering HK beat them by a decade.Like I said,I don't know for sure but considering some lawsuit threats for I've run across it wouldn't shock me.

    I don't like them obviously but for the money they are a decent gun,the "Church of Glock" I just don't get.I think the intended design of KISS makes them dangerous and counterproductive to the goal,You don't hand someone unproficient in handling arms a gun with a fairly light trigger and for all intensive purposes has no safety.Brilliant.

    I will only own one polymer gun,HK.The USP is a much stronger and better gun to me,and failures are slim compared to Glocks.

    Just my opinion but you asked.If you like the gun,great,you need to have confidence in your gun,I just have no use for them.

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    I've shot 7000 rounds no problem out my 34. It's not a confidence issue. Just curious

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    I really like my Glock 26. I like the grip, trigger, and don't mind the looks. I have never noticed any issues with the magazine release, in that, it works just like all my other autos. The gun is durable, reliable, and easy to shoot accurately. It's also a fun gun to shoot at the range. I also have other pistols that I like just as much such as Colt, Smith & W, Ruger, and Beretta. I'm not one of those guys who claims that Glock is the best, but I'm also not a Glock hater. I don't really understand the extremes this gun brings out in people. Love and hate. To me it's just another really good gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Map9690 View Post
    I've shot 7000 rounds no problem out my 34. It's not a confidence issue. Just curious
    I understand.7K isn't much though really,proves the gun and ammo are reliable,but .........

    I think if the USP were in the trials the price is the only thing that would be the killer,the P7 and P9S are more of a law enforcement piece than a combat sidearm so they were pretty screwed on that one.

    2 point among otherswhy I like the USP:

    The USP is basically a scaled down MK23,the MK23 lived through 6K proof rounds and 30K +Ps in initial testing,among other things.The USP won't quite handle that of course,but it will take a serious beating in the fullsize 45 or the 45 Tactical due to the unique recoil system.The compacts and smaller calibers have a different recoil system,but they take a beating too.I have yet to hear of a USP that was shot to death.

    Recently Federal Cartrige sent an older USP 45 to HK for a checkup.The armorers said you could tell the gun was seriously used,and it appeared the only thing ever done was recoil spring changes.After going through it they resprung it and I think updated the old firing pin block to the new style.Out of curiosity they called Federal to see if they had a round count,it was looked up and was just shy of 300K rounds.There was mention of proof rounds but I'm not sure on those.

    Alot of people complain at the price,but put more than that into a 1911 that eats recoil springs at least 5 times quicker,and depending who made it,may break down.Since I love 1911s,the quality of HK justifies the price to me whether it's plastic or not.

    Anyway,enjoy it,as long as you like it nothing else matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdw68 View Post
    I don't really understand the extremes this gun brings out in people. Love and hate. .
    Boy if that isn't the truth,I can't think of another gun that is the same way.

    My main problem with the gun is I and some others think it's just a poor design.My big problem with them is the company itself,much more so than the product.

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    How is the usp? Unfortunately I have only seen it in video games but I hear it's fast and accurate. And shipwreck, shouldn't the synagogue have a desert eagle I apologize about seeming extreme about glocks. Just like sparking debates. Didn't mean to offend or disturb anyone. Actually my favorite gun my dad gave me was a ruger lcp. The only problem is it jams on the last round every time. So to fix the problem I have to load 7 fmj rounds with the last being a holo point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Map9690 View Post
    And shipwreck, shouldn't the synagogue have a desert eagle
    No, they are smarter at that synagogue and know the truth. Beretta is better

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    No offense taken at all man,a little debating is good until it gets rude and out of hand.

    Have you tried a new mag spring in the Ruger? You're getting an inertia feed from lack of tension on the last round,or occasionally a boltover but they aren't very common.

    You're definately going to have to put your hands on a USP to know if you like it because there are 4 frames:the 9/40,9/40 compact,45,and 45 compact.It's been a long time since I shot a 9,but I like the 45 round and bought the fullsize Tactical for the reason it already had the match trigger in it,had adjustable sights and if I decide to put a can on it,the barrel is already threaded and the gun was designed to live with one attatched.You can put a threaded barrel in a standard model and will shoot just fine,but there is a slight difference in the recoil system.

    The fullsize 45 is pretty big being the largest of the frames,but the grip isn't much larger than a Beretta 92 to me.I've had it for 2 years but haven't really put many rounds through it due to time and finding the right front sight heighth.Some people tend to shoot low with the USP,and I seem to be one.I think the big problem is the lack of recoil,which a looser grip would help,but I hold all my pistols the same so I'm not changing that.These things are freakin' accurate,and the recoil system really absorbs recoil in these frames.The buffer spring works twice,when the barrel unlocks it buffers that,resets foward on extraction and then buffers the slide impact at full rear stop.Some say the first buffering distracts them in sight tracking but I can't see the stutter.I don't recall the exact numbers,but the recoil system works so well that the force transfered to the frame is like 1/7 that of a normal 45 recoil system,cool design.

    About the only cons to it are the size,the price,and some complain about the triggers,but none of it bothers me.The trigger and safety are modular with 9 variations,DAO and left and right safety for SA and DA/SA.The stock DAO sucks,but there are a few variations that can get you down to a 5lb pull.Then you have the match trigger in the 45 FS,but it can be installed in the 45 compact without the trigger itself.If you want a trigger stop you'd have to drill and tap the compact's trigger.Some complain about the reset being long but I find no issue of it being insane.I think too much is made out of reset,too little and you can bump fire it,and Jerry Mikuleck doesn't seem to be slowed down with the insane reset of a revolver.

    If you can shoot one or a few,try one out for poops and giggles,they are unique.Kind of like Glock,some love them some don't,but not as bad as the Glocks.I'm a 1911 diehard and there is a bit of influence there in the design of the USP,so that's a plus.HK's mag releases are the gig,I'd love one on my 1911s but that just isn't going to happen.I don't think much of plastic period,but this gun impressed me enough to break down and get it.This is the only pistol that could dethrone the 1911 for me.

    Later man.

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    That's awesome they have a USP that uses 9mm Luger. I also buy guns that my girlfriend can use and that's primarily why I chose glock. She dropped it once and concrete while cleaning it in our garage and the sights broke off. So I bought some truglow fiber oPtics. I would love to buy a 1911 but I can't afford it right now. There's a reason it's so popular and I believe it has something to do with winning two world wars maybe lol. But she has shot a 45 and it hurts her wrist. I will say glocks are annoying to cc. And the compact models don't fit my hand well.

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    I don't know about the 9s,but the 45 slide is pretty wide like the Glock but not such a block.The P30 and P2000 may be a little thinner but I don't know.

    I did forget a bad point,HK mags are close to $60,that sucks bigtime.

    I know what you mean about money,the economy here has been so bad I've lost about 1/2 my income 5 years ago.Boy does that put a kink in the gun budget.I'm trying to go through the Commander I carry to get it the way I like them set up but rebuilding the girlfriend's Harley and keeping mine up until I can go through it doesn't help the matter any.Thank God I reload to save some there.

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    Glock is better than many guns, so are: H&K, Sig, CZ, Beretta, Kahr, Ed brown, Colt, M&P, XDM, Walther, etc........They are all better than a Highpoint, but when you group all the better ones together it's purely a matter of subjective personal preference. #1 criteria for me is reliability. Glock, I don't believe there is any pistol w/ fewer parts, cheaper priced parts and accessories, light weight, somewhat easy to completey disasemble, consistent trigger albeit staple gun like and somewhat easy to master along with exceptional customer service and proven track record. Great pistol and company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    I have two. The deciding factor for me was that it was a proven weapon (proven over many years and in lots of police departments).
    If the selection criteria is "proven over many years", then holler when the Glock has the same track record as the 1911. Most police departments accept the cheapest bid.

    I'd own a Glock if I didn't have to handle it, or look at it, but that's just my opinion. Looks aren't important? What first drew your attention to the vehicle you're driving? The maintenance requirements? Not likely.

    I'll bet you paid more for your vehicle than your carry gun, and I'll bet you liked the looks of your tens of thousands of dollars worth of vehicle, before you considered reliability or quality

    It's personal preference. There is no right or wrong. Just send me what you want me to have. My local FFL dealer will gladly accept transfers from non-FFL holders with proper identification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
    Glock, I don't believe there is any pistol w/ fewer parts, somewhat easy to completey disasemble.
    I think our definitions of fewer parts and Completely disassemble are different. the exploded views of a 1911 and a glock have ruffly the same parts and on the glock they didn't take apart the trigger all the way and the 1911 they counted the grip panels which really wouldn't be needed.

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    My car was a gift for graduating college. Can't speak for others but ya I have spent more on my glock then a car. So that kinda punches a whole in that comparison. And it is a jeep. Not the most beautiful car. But reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Map9690 View Post
    My car was a gift for graduating college. Can't speak for others but ya I have spent more on my glock then a car. So that kinda punches a whole in that comparison. And it is a jeep. Not the most beautiful car. But reliable.
    ok, buy me a Glock, and I'll own one.

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    If I win the lotto you bet. Stipulation 1: you have to shoot it 2: you have to say thank you

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    I do shoot them.... quite well, as a matter of fact. I just don't like their ergonomics, or their looks.

    I'm old, so "thank you" will not be a problem.

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    I would also like to say that nothing screams "America " more then a 1911. Maybe a Winchester 45 level action rifle. But I find glock to be more intuitive then other guns as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Map9690 View Post
    Is there anything else to say? Let me know how you guys feel about glocks.
    I have always been a fan of Glock pistols. I like the grip angle better than even my Berettas, but I like the overall look and lines of a Beretta over the Glock. You can't deny the obvious that the Glock pistol is a very well built and dependable firearm.

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