Someone pointed out the grip angle on a Glock as being the reason for the love/hate relationship. I was one of those haters for that very reason, grip angle. But many years later, I am a Glock Lover of sorts, Actually I love all guns as long as they go bang when needed. I just recently got into Glocks, and now they are my primary concealed weapon of choice.

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

Well, jeeze, if God tells us that Glocks aren't the right ones, I guess we ought to listen. Right?

Sho nuff!

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

Sho nuff!

But, what if I like the Beretta 92 fs and the Glock? Does that make me a bad person?

Ah, the wonders of PhotoShop!

Obviously, God uses that program on his Apple Computer, to manipulate church and synagogue signs.

kaBOOM!

Originally Posted by jdw68

But, what if I like the Beretta 92 fs and the Glock? Does that make me a bad person?

'Fraid so

When people say they hate a gun - especially something as popular as glock - i think its rediculous. I prefer glocks but i like my berettas and xd and m&p too. none of them suck. If you dont like one of them as much as another, thats cool. But to say you HATE one? Get off the internet koolaid dude and get outside.

For a long time I looked at Glocks ans decided I don't the looks of it. I much perferr blued steel and wood. I shot my friends one day and found it to be easy to shoot , good grip and good accuracy, it was nice to handle. Aweek later in the local gun shop I was looking at a mod.19, Now it's mine and listed among my favorites to carry. How could I have been so wrong for so long. Not very much for pretty but pretty much for good.

Originally Posted by kerrycork

...I shot my friends one day and found it to be easy...

Well, OK—but next time, shoot enemies instead. It's much easier.

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

Well, OK—but next time, shoot enemies instead. It's much easier.

not exactly, enemies EXPECT you to shoot them, they avoid you.... friends, not so much.... easier targets

I've had a dog in this hunt before. I "almost" managed to avoid doing this again.

First, as a retired mechanical engineer, there is really nothing wrong with Glocks from a functional standpoint.
Well, maybe the Glock's ability to increase E.R. trips by L.E.O.'s popping themselves in the foot, calf, or thigh is a negative.

But, really, are we put on this Earth to select our personal possessions based on mere functionality ? I think not.

1. There is a reason I don't care about my fridge, my stove, or my clothes washer. They cool, they heat, and they clean. All I ask.

2. There is a reason I'm single, and have three cars in my garage. Do I need three. No.
Is any one of them a Dodge Neon ? Or, God Forgive me for mentioning it, a Prius Pussy Wagon ? No. HELL NO !

A '99 Jeep Cherokee with WAY too much real 4wd stuff, a 2004 Vette Z06 Z16, and a '71 Camaro Z28 "original, unrestored".

If you have to figure out whether Glocks reside behind Door 1 or Door 2 above, then you are simply beyond redemption. Sorry.

All this gun talk, and philosophy too!

Dang, we're gettin' esoteric 'round here!

Ya know... If you were to ask me to choose between the lady and the tiger, well, some days I think I'd go with the tiger.
Anyway, I'll take what's behind Door #2...

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

All this gun talk, and philosophy too!

Dang, we're gettin' esoteric 'round here!....

some of us really are warrior monks...

...Um, or, maybe sometimes, monkeys.

Pretty well explained in the above post. I hear a lot more people praising the Glock than hating it. Americans /humans enjoy being against anything & especially the establishment. Goes with the turf. They are not the most beautiful weapon ever made but if you you want a weapon that goes bang every time you pull the trigger there is no need to go further to find your solution. I also think their shape makes them a tad tough to cc well. When I get a gun I like, it is hard to argue with as I shoot it so much I can stack 'em in there. If having a reliable gun is a bias, let 'em hate.

I posted my thoughts on page 1 of this thread but will add a few here, if you folks don't mind.

You best friend in taking any decision is to exercise the clients. In other words, go to a range and shoot them. Preferably with a friend who owns guns which you are considering. Next best thing is renting at the range if that is an option.

We can look at the history and reputation of given defensive handguns and glean a measure of factual data as to the trustworthiness of your selection. And this is a very good thing to do. The next thing is to examine the guns very carefully, looking at things that many folks overlook or don't thing about when making a purchase.

How hard is it to "rack" the slide? How hard is it to release the slide stop? How hard is it to load the magazines (compare the Glock to the M&P in 9mm and you'll know what I mean with this one)? What about the shape of the trigger guard? How hard is it to detail strip? Are replacement parts readily available and can you install them yourself? What is the shape, width, and angle of the feed ramp? Is the magazine release easy to use yet secure from accidental activation? Does the bore axis height work for you? Are the sights good (can you obtain a sight acquisition and a sight picture reasonably quick)? How hard is the gun going to be to clean?

There are a host of other questions and points to consider when deciding upon a defensive firearm, but all of this pales when weighed against the one primary and major concern: does it go bang when it is suppose to? The loudest sound in the world in an extreme encounter is "click". Reliability is paramount and supersedes all other considerations.

I've owned the 19 and 17 glocks, same gun different barrel and slide. Only thing I didn't like was the trigger, could have fixed it for a round $100. Everything about a glock is "drop in" so you really don't need a smith to repair one if you can get the parts your need. I have also owned a couple of Rugers, a couple of CZ's a Beretta. a Stoeger, a couple of Smiths and now carrying a FNP. I have never owned nor will ever own a 1911 design. Its not a hate thing it just gets to be I don't like the way they fit my hand. I have fired the Colt, the Colt Delta Elite 10, the Desert Eagle 50 and 45, they are all execelent weapons but they don't fit and I really (with so many models on the market get tired of picking up a gun magazi8ne and seeing a picture of the latest 1911 custom?????????
So there you have another dislike.

With two simple mods, you can make a significant improvement to the Glock trigger that should only run you around $25 to $30. A quality 3.5 connector (I like the Glock one, part #00135) and a 6 pound trigger spring (I like the one from GlockParts.com). I'm speaking about the gen3 models, BTW.

Opinion coming.

The Smith and Wesson M&P series in their standard size has one of the best feeling grips on the market. This makes the gun a natural pointer and very shooter-friendly. Glocks do take a little more getting used to but this is a relatively easy process and the return is a superb defensive arm for your daily carry and home SD gun.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

some of us really are warrior monks...

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

...Um, or, maybe sometimes, monkeys.

Thanks you guys, now I have to try and evaluate which is my true niche in life.

Would it help if I stopped having a banana for breakfast ?

And back to "the Glock". I have NOTHING against Glocks, or "Glock folks".
They are great weapons. Just not my personal cup of tea.

I don't own any 1911s either. But, Holy Crap, those 1911 "Snobs" are just plain obnoxious.
Who will be the first to start a thread to rag on those worshipers at the foot of the Shrine of John Moses Browning ?

A snob believes that some people (all weapons) are inherently inferior to him or her (1911s) for any one of a variety of reasons,
including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, class, taste, beauty, nationality, et cetera.
Often the form of snobbery reflects the snob's personal attributes. For example, a common snobbery of the
affluent (Browning worshipers) is the belief that wealth (ownership of 1911s) is either the cause or result of superiority, or both.

After nearly 40 years of raising purebred livestock, I learned somebody always hates something. Just go with what you like and admire. Somebody will agree!

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Originally Posted by recoilguy

This is a prime example of what FNISHR mentioned when he referenced motorcycle world brand bashing. You could substitute Harley in the place of Glock and and Honda or Victory or Kawasaki in the place of Ruger and you would have 100's of identical posts on motorcycle boards. When people don't own a single (insert brand here) and most likely never will, I have a very hard time taking their opinion about them with any degree of credibility. It does rub some folks the wrong way when someone says their brand is superior. To have your retort be my brand is Superior and I wouldn't own your brand I fail to discern the difference in the two. Oh well like he also said the more experianced leave each to their own.

In the motorcycle world I have a saying that goes.................it's that you ride.

With guns I say.....................Its that you shoot!

Neither is it a matter of what.

RCG

I beg to differ with you, I was not "brand bashing" at all. What you've done friend is cherry picked one comment from my entire post, taken it out of context and twisted it into something is was not. I gave credit where credit was due, Glock's are reliable and tough weapons, but also fugley, thats my opinion YMMV, however my preference is for something other than Glock, as I do not like/care for them, this opinion is based on personal experience with that platform. I have shot several exalmples of Glock's of all generations, in all calibers, and all sizes, and haven't found one to my likeing yet. So I don't own one and until something changes with their design I probably never will own one. They're fine weapons, but just not for me. That is not brand bashing my friend, its called expressing an opinion and a matter of personal preference & I never claimed my brand was any better than anybody elses. Again expressing an OPINION and a PREFERENCE nothing more. Why should I buy something that I don't care for? I need'nt purchase or own a product that I have tried to form an opinion on said product. As a matter of fact you missed the point all together. My point was all of the "glockofiles" who disparage any thing that isn't a glock "brand bashing" or for that matter not a 1911.
Personally I could give a rats a$$ what firearm you or anyone carries. Be it a Hipoint, Bersa, SIG, Beretta, Kimber, Colt, Glock, CZ or a Smith & Wesson. If thats what you can afford and it works for you, more power to ya, but don't look down your nose at my SIG, Ruger, or Smith & Wesson etc. because it isn't a wonderglock. I don't look down my nose at their or your choice of weapon, I admire the fact that they are carrying at all, exercising their god given rights, be it a glock or a slingshot. I could care less.

Originally Posted by SouthernBoy

I posted my thoughts on page 1 of this thread but will add a few here, if you folks don't mind.

You best friend in taking any decision is to exercise the clients. In other words, go to a range and shoot them. Preferably with a friend who owns guns which you are considering. Next best thing is renting at the range if that is an option.

How hard is it to "rack" the slide? How hard is it to release the slide stop? How hard is it to load the magazines (compare the Glock to the M&P in 9mm and you'll know what I mean with this one)? What about the shape of the trigger guard? How hard is it to detail strip? Are replacement parts readily available and can you install them yourself? What is the shape, width, and angle of the feed ramp? Is the magazine release easy to use yet secure from accidental activation? Does the bore axis height work for you? Are the sights good (can you obtain a sight acquisition and a sight picture reasonably quick)? How hard is the gun going to be to clean?

There are a host of other questions and points to consider when deciding upon a defensive firearm, but all of this pales when weighed against the one primary and major concern: does it go bang when it is suppose to? The loudest sound in the world in an extreme encounter is "click". Reliability is paramount and supersedes all other considerations.

I go along with all you thoughts. One of Glock's beauties is its simplicity of design.

Folks say they hate the way it feels, or grip angle, etc. I think they would be surprised that if they really tried the Glock, it just might out shoot their present favorite pistol but that would be letting the results interfere with their emotions. Sort of like the way some evaluate presidential candidates.

Originally Posted by judgecrater

I go along with all you thoughts. One of Glock's beauties is its simplicity of design.

Folks say they hate the way it feels, or grip angle, etc. I think they would be surprised that if they really tried the Glock, it just might out shoot their present favorite pistol but that would be letting the results interfere with their emotions. Sort of like the way some evaluate presidential candidates.

That makes no sense,what is really try?I've shot a few Glocks,I don't like the feel,the sights are cheap,the trigger sucks,and it isn't a safe design.Has absolutely nothing to do with my emotions,I just don't like them,along with some other guns,plain and simple.Most of them are reliable,I won't take that away from them,but I don't think they are for a novice shooter as they were intended.Not all of the Glock discharges were NDs,some were true ADs due to the design.