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    Glock Gen 4 some problems?

    Hi guys.

    I have been reading before buying my first handgun.. my optiones are mp9 , glock.. but I have read some forums about the new glock gen4 has somes issues. for example, It can jamm frequently for something in the spring.. is this true?

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    The Gen 4 17, 22, 19, and 23 feature a dual spring setup. initially the 17 and 22 had the same recoil spring weight and the 17 suffered some reliability issues. They reduced the weight in the 17 springs and the 19 springs. That being said some shooters are still having issues with the Gen 4 19, my wife has one and while the gun was more reliable than not, it had a few issues. We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since.

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    This is good to know. I have a Gen4 for a duty weapon and I've had a few issues with it.

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    >> We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since.<<

    Would be interested to know more details here.

    Tnx..RUT

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    >> We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since.<<

    Would be interested to know more details here.

    Tnx..RUT
    We ordered it from Glockmeister, they just updated their website and I don't see the part but if you call them they'll be able to help you out.

    All it is is a direct replacement kit that has a steel rod made to fit the Gen 4 and had the Gen 3 spring weight (other weights available)

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    Ok, thanks for the info. I was just on their website and noticed no offerings for the Gen4, but I'll give them a call later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    Ok, thanks for the info. I was just on their website and noticed no offerings for the Gen4, but I'll give them a call later.
    Let me know what you find out.

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    Glock 17 Gen 4

    Quote Originally Posted by mik3gun View Post
    Hi guys.

    I have been reading before buying my first handgun.. my optiones are mp9 , glock.. but I have read some forums about the new glock gen4 has somes issues. for example, It can jamm frequently for something in the spring.. is this true?
    I bought the 17 gen 4 a couple of months ago and had problems. Jammed, then cleared it, shot again and it wouldn't eject. Sent it back to the factory, they fixed it. Shot it once since, but now my confidence in the gun is not where it should be. If I had to do it over again, I probably should have stuck to the tried and true version (pre-17).

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    I'm still having issues a month after buying it and about 7-800 rounds through it. It's also my duty weapon and this does not make for a good situation. I got in touch with the local Glock rep and they overnighted me a new guide rod assembly to try out. If this doesn't fix it, I'm going to demand a replacement (they don't want to lose LE buyers). Either way, I'm with the above poster. My confidence in the weapon itself has diminished greatly. Even if this new part does seem to fix it.....it just still won't seem right to me (that's how my head works ). I currently have a bid on an XDM45 to replace it as my duty weapon. If it's fixed, I may keep it for off-duty carry, but that's still up for grabs. We shall see what happens!

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    >>they overnighted me a new guide rod assembly to try out<<

    Did they tell you what will be different about the new assembly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    >>they overnighted me a new guide rod assembly to try out<<

    Did they tell you what will be different about the new assembly?
    He made it sound like it's the same Gen4 assembly, just a new one. To be honest, if that's the case, I'm a little doubtful that it will fix the issues. If it does, then that's great. But, like I said above, my confidence in the weapon has diminished big time. I never would've expected these types of issues with a Glock. I've never had problems with them in the past and that's the reason I bought a Glock in the first place!

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    It couldn't be any more "picture-perfect" than that!
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    >> We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since. <<

    Just curious as to whether you've considered this "fix" or not? I've only got 100 rounds or so through my Gen 4, and so far so good. However, if it does act up I'll consider trying the above out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    >> We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since. <<

    Just curious as to whether you've considered this "fix" or not? I've only got 100 rounds or so through my Gen 4, and so far so good. However, if it does act up I'll consider trying the above out.
    That would be a last resort for me. The way my mind works, I shouldn't have to spend my own money to fix a firearm that should've worked properly in the first place....especially when it's a LE purchase for a duty weapon. If they won't resolve the issue and/or replace the weapon, then I will probably go with the above fix and sell it (if that fixes the issues). Either way, Glock needs to do something about this. It happens every time I'm at the range and even happened multiple times during one of my qualifications for work. I don't feel very confident in the firearm and it sucks since I carry it daily...

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    Did your troubles start from the get-go or after getting some time on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    Did your troubles start from the get-go or after getting some time on it?
    They were there from the start.

    Then, I tried to narrow down all of the reasons. I tried multiple different types of ammo, marked magazines, shot with two fingers (limp-wristing) and determined it's something with the gun itself.

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    Hmmm, maybe I dodged a bullet... so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUT View Post
    >> We replaced the recoil spring assembly with an aftermarket kit that has the same single spring/weight as the Gen 3 Glock 19 and the gun hasn't had a problem since. <<

    Just curious as to whether you've considered this "fix" or not? I've only got 100 rounds or so through my Gen 4, and so far so good. However, if it does act up I'll consider trying the above out.
    I consider it fixed. The gun works with the new spring kit when it didn't work before.

    If it was something major I would expect Glock to fix it, but swapping a recoil spring is no biggy to me. Other opinions vary.

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    I love my Gen 3 G19. It sucks to hear about these gen 4 issues. In my humble opinion they tried to fix something that wasn't broke. I hope you guys get your issues straightened out before your confidence in Glock is lost for good. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    I love my Gen 3 G19. It sucks to hear about these gen 4 issues. In my humble opinion they tried to fix something that wasn't broke. I hope you guys get your issues straightened out before your confidence in Glock is lost for good. Good luck.
    In part, yes nothing was "broken" but Glock was loosing some market share to other pistols that feature the removable back straps and when you take into account folks like my wife with small hands while the pre 4th gen Glocks were not broken, they were a non option as she couldn't reach the trigger hardly at all.

    I agree that the recoil springs would have been better left alone, but the overall Gen 4 package features some nice changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    In part, yes nothing was "broken" but Glock was loosing some market share to other pistols that feature the removable back straps and when you take into account folks like my wife with small hands while the pre 4th gen Glocks were not broken, they were a non option as she couldn't reach the trigger hardly at all.

    I agree that the recoil springs would have been better left alone, but the overall Gen 4 package features some nice changes.
    I agree that the changes were all for the better, but they should've left the recoil spring assembly alone. Either way, I won my auction for the XDM45 today and the G19 will not be my duty weapon for much longer. If I get it fixed and put a bunch of rounds through it, then I may keep it for off duty.

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