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    New Glock....3 malfunctions

    Took out my Glock 23 today for the first rounds put through it...Between me and my buddy we put a little over 200 rounds through it. Everything went great...had great groupings between the 2 of us and I love the gun. My only problem is I had 3 misfeeds (Empty Cartdridge didnt fully eject). I was hoping this is only because its not fully broke in but with Glocks reputation it worries me a little. I cleaned the gun before hand, every mag was fully seated along with the rounds...I was using Federal and winchester white box ammo....Anyone have any idea...Should I worry? This is going to be my CCW and I dont want to have to worry about something like this happening if it comes down to it!


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    put another 150 rounds through it today with four more jams! What should I do! Take it back or can I send it straight to glock?
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    Clean it again and lube as per the manual.

    Inspect the ammo for dents etc.

    Go out and shoot it and monitor the situation. You need about 1000rds through it to make sure.

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    Malfunctions with a Glock? Based on reputation it is very rare to be caused by the gun.

    The first 2 things that come to mind,

    What ammo are you using? I've bought a box or 2 over the years, that had several rounds that wouldn't cycle the slide fully (or just barely). I stay away from that brand now.

    How much experience do you have? Limp wristing can cause a case to not fully extract. When were the malfs, first shot, last shot, randomly?
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    Me and my friend are both experienced shooters (me being prior military and him a police officer). Ammo we were using was federal and Winchester white box. Both of which I've shot in other glocks without a problem.

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    I have a similar problem with a newly purchased Glock 23. I had 8 ejection malfunctions in the first 250 rounds. I took pictures of the last 4 and documented which magazine and what round in the magazine failed. I returned the pistol to the retailer and they have shipped it back to Glock. We'll see what happens.

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    Bump for update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
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    Hi Brad,

    I hope you bought the gun from a local gun shop because if you did, you can just take it back to them. They'll take a look at it for you.
    Good Luck

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    Thnx I might explore this option. I called Glock this morning though. I talked to a service guy and he thinks that it was possibly the ammo. He told me that Federal Champion and winchester whitebox are both target practice loads and that the glock is a service gun, therefore needs service ammo. He said the winchester is too light and is why the round is not fully ejecting. He told me to try out some Speer Law man and hes sure it will not happen again. He said once the gun gets more worn in I could probably shoot the other ammo and be ok. Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling im going to have the same results with the speer ammo.

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    Oh boy!

    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
    Thnx I might explore this option. I called Glock this morning though. I talked to a service guy and he thinks that it was possibly the ammo. He told me that Federal Champion and winchester whitebox are both target practice loads and that the glock is a service gun, therefore needs service ammo. He said the winchester is too light and is why the round is not fully ejecting. He told me to try out some Speer Law man and hes sure it will not happen again. He said once the gun gets more worn in I could probably shoot the other ammo and be ok. Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling im going to have the same results with the speer ammo.
    Brad,
    Yes, Federal & WWB are target ammo, so what? His statement that the Glock is a service gun and needs service ammo is ridiculous. This guy is ignorant about the products he's representing. I use Federal Champion & WWB all the time. Normally they are 115gr FMJ rounds which are normal practice rounds. Please go back to where you bought it and save yourself a lot of aggrevation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
    Thnx I might explore this option. I called Glock this morning though. I talked to a service guy and he thinks that it was possibly the ammo. He told me that Federal Champion and winchester whitebox are both target practice loads and that the glock is a service gun, therefore needs service ammo. He said the winchester is too light and is why the round is not fully ejecting. He told me to try out some Speer Law man and hes sure it will not happen again. He said once the gun gets more worn in I could probably shoot the other ammo and be ok. Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling im going to have the same results with the speer ammo.
    Glock could be right if they are putting a stiffer recoil spring in the gun than they used to. I've read this type of story related to new Glock .40s on a couple of forums recently. If so, you might try installing a slightly weaker spring and see if that fixes your problem. Springs are cheap and swapping them is easy for trouble shooting the issue.

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    I have a G23 and have shot WWB, Federal Eagle, PMC , Federal Hydra-Shok you name it 155gr, 165gr, 180gr without ever having one single problem. The gun is less than 2 years old. Maybe they have put a stronger recoil spring in but then you would have to ask WHY? Are they trying to reduce the mussel rise? And if they have put a stronger spring in why didn't they just say that?

    I'm raising the BS flag on this one.

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    I agree, I have shot everything from reloads to wwb and up to +p+ fiocchi and high quality hollowpoints and no issues at all..gun was new in dec and has 3500 rounds through it.

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    I took the service guy at glocks advice and ordered some speer lawman...I also did some research and am going to change up my grip and see if that could have been the problem all along...Ill let you know how it goes....but I have a feeling I will be calling glock again.

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    If the pistol is new, there is no way you should start having to replace springs on a Glock or anything else. Glocks have never been known to be ammo sensitive, either and it should not take 1000 rounds to determine/make reliable. If you and your buddy are both experienced and both having the same problem, it is probably the pistol. I know some folks think that every Glock is perfect, but just not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
    I took the service guy at glocks advice and ordered some speer lawman...I also did some research and am going to change up my grip and see if that could have been the problem all along...Ill let you know how it goes....but I have a feeling I will be calling glock again.

    I'm sorry to hear about your trouble. I have a Glock 19, purchased in late January, and I've had zero problems with mine. I've tried 4 or 5 types of ammo with it and all have functioned just fine. The most recent that I tried was the Speer Lawman that you mentioned and it's really nice for range use. The range I shoot at has that particular ammo priced the same as other "range ammo", so it's a bargain and I think you'll notice that it produces a little more recoil, possibly due to better-burning powder.

    By the way, if you don't already know this, do not fire reloads in your Glock unless you are willing to give up your warranty. Shooting reloads voids Glock's warranty.

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    Update to my message of the 21st.
    My 23 came back from Glock on March 5th. I didn't receive any paper work about what they had done. There were 8 spent cases, packaged by 2s, included. They also shipped different magazines back. Bottom line, I took my grandsons to the range yesterday and we put a hundred rounds, of UMC and Magtech, through the weapon. We had no malfunctions. I'm going to take it back to the range later this week and run another hundred through it. I like the pistol, and my wife, who choose it, loves it. I just want to be confident that it will go bang more than once.
    Shot straight and fast. GJ

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    I put another 150 through mine on saturday with the speer lawman and of course 4 more malfunctions. Im taking it to the shop which i bought it from tomorrow. There gunsmith is a Glock armorer...I will let you know what they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
    I put another 150 through mine on saturday with the speer lawman and of course 4 more malfunctions. Im taking it to the shop which i bought it from tomorrow. There gunsmith is a Glock armorer...I will let you know what they say.
    Took it to the shop I bought it from....gunsmith fired 20 shots through it and said he couldnt find anything wrong with it (well gee thanks). Sending it to glock today to see what they say since the gunsmith said I would have to pay him labor and ammo to shoot until he could get a Jam. Looks like Ill be without until then

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad.45 View Post
    Took it to the shop I bought it from....gunsmith fired 20 shots through it and said he couldnt find anything wrong with it (well gee thanks). Sending it to glock today to see what they say since the gunsmith said I would have to pay him labor and ammo to shoot until he could get a Jam. Looks like Ill be without until then
    Isn't that just typical, it's like when you buy a new car and you hear something going on that shouldn't be happening but when you take it to the dealer you can't make it happen again. Handgun owners need a lot of patience because you must go through the "break in" with each and every gun and I don't mean just firing 500 rounds through it.

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