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    Not using gun?

    Sorry for all the new questions, but I don't know much if anything about guns, and am avoiding the which brand which cal questions for now. So, how long is ok to have a gun sit loaded without firing? 6months- 6 years- indeffinately?

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    As long as it has been properly cleaned and lubricated and kept in a low humidity environment, indefinitely.

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    Cleaned and lubricated, is that something that needs to be done on occasion even if the gun hasnt been fired?

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    There are many firearms in museums that are many hundreds of years old, but will still function if given the chance. So as Scott mentioned, they can last indefinitely if the proper care is taken.

    Ammo is another matter to some extent. Modern cased ammo will still function after many decades, and I've read about instances where late 1800's cased ammo still functions when fired. However, no one really knows how long cased ammo will last, since it's only been around since the latter part of the 19th century.

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    21?

    I have been looking at the 21. Here is my criteria. I would like a 45 that can sit locked in a safe under a bed for 5 years and know 100% that it will fire in case of emergency? Any of you guys with multiple guns levae a glock for a long time without firing then go shoot it- no prep or anything?

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    If you plan on doing that, without praticing, then I wouldn't recommend a firearm at all. This probably isn't what you want to hear, but that would be my feeling on this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_M View Post
    Cleaned and lubricated, is that something that needs to be done on occasion even if the gun hasnt been fired?
    Cleaned - no. But occasional lube once every several years would be a good idea. Even more frequently would be the need for application of a rust-proofing agent (many of which are cleaner/lubes anyway), particularly the bore and any areas of rubbing where the protective factory finish is wearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_M View Post
    I have been looking at the 21. Here is my criteria. I would like a 45 that can sit locked in a safe under a bed for 5 years and know 100% that it will fire in case of emergency? Any of you guys with multiple guns levae a glock for a long time without firing then go shoot it- no prep or anything?
    practice, practice, practice... That gun isn't going to do anything for you if you can't hit a target. Now, add the adrenaline rush if someone is threatening your life. Practice and confidence is something you want on your side.
    "bing bang boom! hair out...hamburger time" - William Murderface

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    The OP never said that it's his only gun, although it would be good to practice on the particular gun you're putting your life on. Also, a gun locked in a safe under your bed isn't going to be very accessible in an emergency.

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    Leaving an automatic unused, un-oiled, unmaintained, and expecting it to work flawlessly after 5 years? Please.

    FYI, threads merged. No need to have the same general question all over the forum.

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    Thanks guys, that all makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Leaving an automatic unused, un-oiled, unmaintained, and expecting it to work flawlessly after 5 years? Please.

    FYI, threads merged. No need to have the same general question all over the forum.
    I dont know these things. And thanks for merging, I wasnt really thinking how sim the question was.

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    Any weapon needs to be cleaned and lubed now and then no matter if it's been used or not. Dirt has a way of getting into things and many gun lubes will fade away at some point.

    AS BeefyBeefo said if you're not planning in getting the thing out and practicing you don't need a firearm..
    .....You need a security guard.

    AS js Pointed out.. A weapon is only as useful as the person holding it. If you don't 100% know that you can use the weapon correctly it's just a paperweight. One that might well get you or your family into a bigger jam than you would be in without it.
    Last edited by DevilsJohnson; 05-03-2009 at 12:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_M View Post
    I dont know these things.
    Think about it this way. A gun is a mechanical object. Would you trust your life to the operation of any mechanical object that had not been maintained? I wouldn't.

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    If I was looking to purchase a handgun for self defense that I planned on neglecting for long periods of time while expecting it to function properly at any given moment, I would be looking for a 38/357 revolver made by a reputable manufacturer.

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    i dont know about anyone else here, but i dont want to own a gun i dont shoot!

    hope you'll take the right precautions/training and safety measures prior to getting a gun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rccola712 View Post
    i dont know about anyone else here, but i dont want to own a gun i dont shoot!

    hope you'll take the right precautions/training and safety measures prior to getting a gun!
    +1
    A weapon without training is a truly dangerous weapon.

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    As it's been pointed out, without some practice and a little maintenance, it's just sitting under your bed giving you a false sense of security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_M View Post
    I have been looking at the 21. Here is my criteria. I would like a 45 that can sit locked in a safe under a bed for 5 years and know 100% that it will fire in case of emergency? Any of you guys with multiple guns levae a glock for a long time without firing then go shoot it- no prep or anything?
    To be completely fair, you really can't be 100% sure with any semi-auto. When you load up the magazine, you've got a spring under pressure. It is normally reccomended that you change magazines frequently, unloading one and loading up another, to spare the life of the magazine spring. Mostly because after that long a period of time, you've probably broken the tension on the spring and it won't feed correctly. You'll blame the gun, of course, because most do. But in actually you've asked too much of one spring.

    All of us here will suggest you practice, too. Let me give you this idea. Get someone in your house to help you. Load up a paintball gun and put it where you would keep your gun when you get it. Give your helper a target and tell them some random night, at around 3:00AM when you are fast asleep, they have to sneak in and put the target up in some random spot. Once they've done this, they are to wake you by blowing an airhorn right by your head. At that point, you jump up, grab the paintball gun, and try to hit the target. After that, you'll hit the range a few times. I promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    Get someone in your house to help you. Load up a paintball gun and put it where you would keep your gun when you get it. Give your helper a target and tell them some random night, at around 3:00AM when you are fast asleep, they have to sneak in and put the target up in some random spot. Once they've done this, they are to wake you by blowing an airhorn right by your head. At that point, you jump up, grab the paintball gun, and try to hit the target. After that, you'll hit the range a few times. I promise.
    Is this a normal night at Casa de SuckLead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Is this a normal night at Casa de SuckLead?
    No, thank God. But it is exactly what I tell new shooters who think they can buy a gun, never practice, and shoot really well under a lot of pressure with a lot of andrenaline rushing through them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Is this a normal night at Casa de SuckLead?
    hahaha, interesting idea though

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    No, thank God. But it is exactly what I tell new shooters who think they can buy a gun, never practice, and shoot really well under a lot of pressure with a lot of andrenaline rushing through them.
    So you get to say that a lot, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    To be completely fair, you really can't be 100% sure with any semi-auto. When you load up the magazine, you've got a spring under pressure. It is normally reccomended that you change magazines frequently, unloading one and loading up another, to spare the life of the magazine spring. Mostly because after that long a period of time, you've probably broken the tension on the spring and it won't feed correctly. You'll blame the gun, of course, because most do. But in actually you've asked too much of one spring.
    It's been mentioned several times in other threads that leaving a mag loaded won't hurt the spring. It's cycling that wears it out, so loading and unloading it repeatedly like that would wear it out quicker. You have springs under pressure in all sorts of other equipment without them losing tension...windows, cars, watches, you name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    So you get to say that a lot, then.
    Yeah, we can say it is well practiced.

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