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    Wow, what a little pissing match Ive stumbled upon here.
    What the hell, heres my $0.02

    I like Glock, but only in 9mm (Larry Vickers shares the same sentiment). I love my G19. Im a die hard sig fan at heart though. My only problem with Glocks are the fanboys. The jerks who think Glocks are the infallible holy grail of handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaakir*Abdullah View Post
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    Nice homepage.

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    For my 2 cents. the glock has a lot going for it. I own more glocks than any other brand of handgun. With that said all of my glocks have never given me a problem. If I am buying a new gun it's probally going to be a glock.I can shoot a glock more consistently than any other make. It's realy up to you , it is your gun after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    Nice homepage.

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    Hey thanks s lot my friend, appreciate it.

    I'd update it more if I wasn't so lazy. Im gonna review the Glock 19 next.

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    I can only report what I know to be fact with my own Glocks.....none of them have ever FTE or FTF in thousands of rounds. I have no complaint with the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaakir*Abdullah View Post
    Wow, what a little pissing match Ive stumbled upon here.
    What the hell, heres my $0.02

    I like Glock, but only in 9mm (Larry Vickers shares the same sentiment). I love my G19. Im a die hard sig fan at heart though. My only problem with Glocks are the fanboys. The jerks who think Glocks are the infallible holy grail of handguns.
    I agree fully. I love my G19 and use it daily as a CCW gun. I have an affinity to my HKs though, and find them to be just as reliable but of a finer quality in craftsmanship. Glock = tool I can beatup and HK is too expensive for me to afford that type of abuse. Not that it can't take it, I know it can. In my mind though, it's $900 vs $500.

    The only US mil issue HK pistol is the HK Mk.23 (aka SOCOM). It is a total POS. It is an overweight and oversized locker queen lusted after only by wannabes. The original accessories it was designed for in the 20th century are obsolete now. Don't blame HK, they delivered on the specs that were asked for.
    Actually I know that there are USP models in usage for certain situations by special operations teams. Namely the Seals. They have a SIG P226 as standard, but they do have an arsenal available to them if they deem it more effective for the situation. USP is included in this as are likely a couple of custom 1911s. For the most part these weapons would sit and the SIG would be strapped on simply because the pistol is the backup or last resort. Nobody storms a building with a pistol in front of them, that's why they issue M4s and various combat shotguns. Not even the contractors would use a pistol and many of them have Glocks as well as the other various options including the M9.

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    Well.everyone knows I"m a huge 1911 fan. I carry one and trust my life t it. I've owned about everything at one time or another including Glocks and they are very reliable. That being said if I had to pick one gun to take out with me and be out a good while knowing I wouldn't be able to maintain a normal cleaning routine I'll pick up a Sig Sauer. AS "modern" combat pistols go I've seen nothing that can take as much abuse and still be spot on target. I own two and plan to get more. Heh..I own several 1911's and they will always be my fav but truth is truth. No 1911 and I don't care who makes it could boast the Sig "To Hell and Back Reliability" I can get a few of my 1811's pretty nasty and they will still function as well as they always do but I don't think I'd want to drop it over a hundred feet and let it bounce off the pavement and go target shooting with it.

    Glock fans..You all have a really nice gun..I liked the ones I had but I wanted to limit my "non 1911's" some and it was between them and my Sigs to what was gonna go. It wasn't a long think. . The Sig TO ME was the better gun. I've had a 17,19,23,21, and 33. All pretty good shooters with the 19 being the most accurate I had.

    I look at a pistol as a work of art as much as the tools I use them for. a well made, well designed gun is as beautiful an object to me as anything you'll see in a museum. I look as form as much as function. That's what brought me to the 1911. I see it as the most perfect blend of form and function that I've seen. I would have no reason to have more than one if I thought otherwise. The Sig Sauer has a fantastic design. Function as well as any pistol as be expected to in adverse conditions. And they have the one thing a Glock does not...A hammer. This provides options that a Glock cannot. Also to me a Glock while functions really well just don't do it for me the way they look. If I wanted a pistol just as a tool and function was my only desire then a Glock would fit the bill great.

    BTW..I'd not heard about the Glock KB so much with the 40 and never with a 9mm but the 45 ACP and GAP I had read some about. I would have to admit with all the Glocks out there in the hands of LEO along with everyone else the KB issue don't look as bad when you see the total number of guns out there.

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    I know this thread is old but I have found a 9mm Charles Daly hi power copy that I just shot point of aim out of the box, and 1500 rounds w/o a malfunction. If you run across one at a gun show the sight takes a little getting used to but for the $$$ it fires better than my G17 or my 5906. Only reason I stopped was I was to tired to continue.

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    "Marine Force Recon uses PISTOL, M1911A1, MEU(SOC) .45CAL built by Marine MOS 2122 gunsmiths from Springfield, Caspian, and selected vintage GI frames at Marine Corps' Precision Weapons Shop (PWS) in Quantico, Virginia. "

    The major reason they used modified 1911s, parts are already available for them as well as trained armorers and reference materials.

    There are already Government specifications and precedent contract protocols in place for purchase of 1911 parts.

    Yes, the gun is reliable and keeping gun clean and maintenanced is not an issue; Marines are taught how to take care of their weapons.


    "We all know which gun Jeff Cooper preferred."




    First, I am a Gunsite graduate (and several other schools. ) I respect the memory of the man as a fellow Marine. But he wasn't GOD or even JC, he was a man with some good techniques and was a fine teacher. But his words and choices are not Gospel. I have had to deviate from a lot that I learned from him because it just hasn't proved workable in real life. Yes, he liked the 1911, but that doesn't give it any more credence as the "only" gun just because he liked it.


    "Glock's response to all kB!s has been to advise owners not to use overpressure ammunition (ie. +P). "

    I don't use +P in any of my guns, including .38 revolvers. I am of the FBI "Penetration and multiple impacts" school and I don't need to stress any of my guns in hope of having a "1 shot kill", 30-06s and .308s are for that type of duty. I also no longer handload (arthritis in hands and wrists) so I don't shoot lead. Problem was pretty much quietly corrected in Third Generation .40 S&W Glocks with beefed up ramp and chamber area. My barrel in my 3rd Gen G23 has more metal than the BARSTO in my 2d Gen G22.

    The 1911, properly maintained as all weapons should be, is a fine combat weapon. I carried one in the USMC for over two decades. My motor skills have decreased with age and I no longer carry a single action auto. I have two autos: a G23 and a BERSA. The BERSA was "deal you can't refuse" and I don't ccw it. I have just added a NY1 trigger to the Glock so it will be many range trips before it has proven itself worth of dependence as a CCW. I carry DAO revolvers. The Glock was purchased and the NY1 put in to give me the same basic trigger as my revolvers. I need 8#+ to be safe anymore! There are many fine pistols out there, each has its strengths and weaknesses, I really think it is futile to say any one of them is the "best."

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    XD or bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    So, back to the original question ...



    ... without beating up on 1911 owners or Glock owners.



    Is there a new "king" for reliability?

    It seems to me that pretty much any modern gun by a major manufacturer runs pretty flawlessly, unless it happens to be one of the few lemons that any factory produces from time to time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    A friend just got his CHL, and is now looking for something to carry. He and his wife own a Glock in 9mm that is a couple of years old (more than 5, I think).

    One of the big city (Corpus Christi) gun stores told him that Glock is not the most reliable gun out there.

    Since when did THAT happen?

    I'm wondering what brand the gun store was pushing this month ...

    ... hmmmm, maybe they wanted him to buy a 1911?



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    This is when it happened..
    http://www.americanhandgunner.com/Lasermax.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by StatesRights View Post
    Wow, that is some serious torture right there. It makes me want a Sig now. Guess it will be even longer before the next gun purchase, since now I want to save up for a Sig.

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