View Poll Results: would a single stack 9mm from XD or Glock be in your future if made?

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    single stack glock

    in the thread "Back to what's right!!!" under 1911 area...
    and considering the recent entries of the thread of "Thin is in ?"...
    I was wondering how many would be interested to buy a single stack
    9mm pistol?
    glock and XD do not come in single stacks - should they build one?


    Walther PPS, kel-tec PF9, and Kahr PM9 are the only ones I can think of that are single stack in polymer
    Para Ord has 2 9mm 1911 type but I don't think they are very thin. (is the Springfield EMP1911 a single stack? - don't think so)

    most of us realize that that if you show a gun a certain % of instances it will be over
    and also a large % of instances are finished with less that a few shots
    and most backup or undercover guns are the 5-6 shot capacity
    6 shots have been the standard since the first single action revolver was made
    so why large capacity magazinesneeded ?- the military went to the double stack 9mm and PROBABLY FOR THE POLICE not knowing what they will walk into

    your vote and thoughts?

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    I'd definitely consider it if they had one to offer and I just hadn't purchased my XD9SC.

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    I think if it were chambered for any less than a .45 (Glock 36) then they would have to remap the way the weapon was made, specifically with the grips. A single stack 9mm would be too small for most hand (Primarily Males, no offence intended).


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    they could make the inside of the grip thicker to "compensate" (no pun intended!) for the small magazines. I would be first in line to get a single stack glock or xd 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brifol6111 View Post
    A single stack 9mm would be too small for most hand (Primarily Males, no offence intended).
    Huh. That doesn't seem to have dissuaded buyers of:

    S&W 39 series
    Kahr 9mms
    KelTec PF9
    HK P7/P7M8
    SIG P225
    SIG P239
    Springfield EMP
    Walther PPS

    And other reasonably popular pistols. I have small hands, but I suspect even men with larger hands might accept a slightly small grip in trade for better concealment.
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    No. A Glock wouldn't be a Glock if it wasn't hi-cap. The G36 is single and for good reason-anything else would never sell and they know that. Never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    No. A Glock wouldn't be a Glock if it wasn't hi-cap. The G36 is single and for good reason-anything else would never sell and they know that. Never happen.
    So Glocks sold in states that require 10-round mags aren't actually Glocks?

    I'd buy a single-stack 26 in a heartbeat.
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    ram rod
    yea that is probably not in glocks interest as most end up in the hands of police and foreign military units
    also i just thought - maybe there would be an import regulation that would keep it from happening

    is the springfield emp a single stck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    So Glocks sold in states that require 10-round mags aren't actually Glocks?
    It's a CaGlock or MaGlock depending which coast you're on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    is the springfield emp a single stck?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    yea that is probably not in glocks interest as most end up in the hands of police and foreign military units
    I don't see a lot of Glock 26s and 27s in duty holsters, but it is (by far) the single most popular gun fit in Galco's holster line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    So Glocks sold in states that require 10-round mags aren't actually Glocks?

    I'd buy a single-stack 26 in a heartbeat.
    So would I! If they would/could narrow that whole package down a 1/4 inch they would be VERY popular with the CC crowd. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by brifol6111 View Post
    I think if it were chambered for any less than a .45 (Glock 36) then they would have to remap the way the weapon was made, specifically with the grips. A single stack 9mm would be too small for most hand (Primarily Males, no offence intended).
    I think this could be addressed with interchangeable backstrap inserts, making the grip longer front-to-back for those with larger hands, without increasing thickness which can negatively affect concealment. The Kahr guns, for instance, are really too small for my average-size hand. I end up with way too much finger on the trigger, wrapping around to the far side, and then rapid firing gets me side-to-side dispersion because of inconsistent finger placement on the trigger. A slightly longer reach would correct this problem for me.

    And yes, I could probably "train" the problem away, but I'd be concerned about falling back into a bad habit during a stressful situation. Better if the gun fits better right off the bat.

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    Build me a sub 1" thick XD in 45ACP (maybe even 9mm), and I'm in line to buy. A LOOONG line. I looked hard at the G36 specifically for this reason, and found it no smaller than the XD45C. Frame rail clearance is ofcourse the limiting factor... but the Kahrs are VERY thin. I'm looking for a P45 to shoot... Pricey, but an interesting pltform as my preferences mature...

    Sub-1911 Commander dimensions (w/ no thumb safety), in XD striker-fired SA reliability?

    4" barrel, 6-7 shot mag, .8" slide width, striker fired, XD Compact (G36) grip-length, and interchangable back-straps, 45ACP... The perfect IWB gun.

    JW

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    glock and XD do not come in single stacks - should they build one?
    They do. I have 10 single stack ten round magazines for my G35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Niner View Post
    I think this could be addressed with interchangeable backstrap inserts, making the grip longer front-to-back for those with larger hands, without increasing thickness which can negatively affect concealment. The Kahr guns, for instance, are really too small for my average-size hand. I end up with way too much finger on the trigger, wrapping around to the far side, and then rapid firing gets me side-to-side dispersion because of inconsistent finger placement on the trigger. A slightly longer reach would correct this problem for me.

    And yes, I could probably "train" the problem away, but I'd be concerned about falling back into a bad habit during a stressful situation. Better if the gun fits better right off the bat.
    This is correct, but It would be a change to the design which I stated in my post. If GLOCK we're to redesign their pistols they could do all types of nifty inovations, including finally releasing a US compliant .380. The only down fall to this is GLOCK is following the KISS principle and they dont seem to want to do any major redesigns.


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    I'm a little surprised the tally so far isn't hugely a "yes". I agree with Charlie. I'm not a Glock guy but if they made a thin 9mm for CC I would certainly consider it (just on the reliability rep alone) and I would have thought most every Glock guy would jump all over it. Kahr has effectively made it's mark by providing this product to the public.

    Since I don't carry, you guys know alot more about it than I do, but I have put some thought into it. The G26, which seems to be the Glock choice for 9mm CC , to me is just a fat gun with a "pinkie dangle" grip. There's not much attraction in that to me. Yeah you can get a floorplate extention, but then just get a bigger model Glock. Maybe this isn't the majority opinion but from what I've considered so far, for CC I would put "thin gun" higher on the priority list than "short grip". So a thin Glock has appeal to me. As for capacity, I think 8-10 shots is plenty to get you off to a good start considering that other poll shows the vast majority carry a spare mag anyway.

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    Sure, I think SA should make a single stack gun...but they shouldn't call it an XD. Make it a different model, that was designed from the ground up to be a slim handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    The G26, which seems to be the Glock choice for 9mm CC , to me is just a fat gun with a "pinkie dangle" grip. There's not much attraction in that to me. Yeah you can get a floorplate extention, but then just get a bigger model Glock.
    What I like about the 26 is its versatility. With a flat mag baseplate, I can carry it on an ankle or in the front pocket of my cargo pants. If I switch to a pinky-rest mag, I can carry it on my belt and shoot it as well as a 19. When I put in in my nightstand drawer, I can switch to a full length mag from a 17 and have an easy-to-shoot high-cap pistol.

    It is wider than I'd like, but all guns are compromises, and the 26 somewhat makes up for its fatness with versatility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    What I like about the 26 is its versatility. With a flat mag baseplate, I can carry it on an ankle or in the front pocket of my cargo pants. If I switch to a pinky-rest mag, I can carry it on my belt and shoot it as well as a 19. When I put in in my nightstand drawer, I can switch to a full length mag from a 17 and have an easy-to-shoot high-cap pistol.

    It is wider than I'd like, but all guns are compromises, and the 26 somewhat makes up for its fatness with versatility.

    Well, I see your point about the extra versatility of ankle carry (BTW, you are just all over this ankle carry thing, huh? ), but I don't see much else. I mean, yeah, if you only have one gun and it needs to do all that (including ankle carry) then I get it. But if I've got a full size gun at my disposal for the nightstand (of which I have two), I'm not replacing it with the 26 or any other smaller gun.

    So yeah, I would agree it is a versatile carry gun giving you the ankle carry option, but that's about as far as it's versatility goes for me and, I would think for you as well. I mean I would be surprised if you said that the G26 was your primary, or even secondary, HD gun. Anyway, my comment was not so much about the G26 per se, I just seem to be more attracted to the thin gun for carry than the short grip gun. But then there's the PM9, which is both. And you can ankle carry that one from here to Timbuktu.

    So yes, I agree with you that the gun can be very versatile for someone that needs it to be. But I wouldn't buy it for the things it can do that I don't need when for me there are more preferable choices for the things I do need it to do.

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