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    Settling on a carry auto - decisions, decisions...

    In order to master the fundamentals of defensive handgun shooting, my instructor has had me shooting my Walther P22 - tonight he told me that I'm ready to settle on a center-fire gun out of my collection that I will be carrying concealed. (A graduation in a way - he liked all my 'move and fire' targets - well, I did too; the training is paying off).

    My instructor doesn't care what I choose (mode or caliber), only that it be the gun I plan to carry most of the time.

    I've got excellent examples of various models and I think my first decision is DA/SA, DAO or SA.

    For each style I have a solid, quality example - HK P2000SK and SIG 239 in DA/SA - S&W M&Pc and Taurus PT140 and Taurus 12/7c, and Para LDA Covert Carry in DAO, and a Colt Commander in SA.

    All of the examples are 9mm or bigger.

    Leaving brand names and caliber out of it - are there arguments for or against a particular trigger mode? Once that's decided, then I may solicit opinions on which particular gun.

    So there it is. Raw meat in the arena. I invite comments.

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    Although I like single-action autos, IMO they are only a good choice for someone with a fair amount of shooting experience. I think that a DA or DAO is better for carry, as one can carry in an un-cocked position, yet be instantly ready to fire because you don't have to think about pushing a safety lever or cocking a hammer.

    Most DA's will have a de-cocking lever as well, which will be safer for you to manage should you decide on something with an external hammer.

    You should also consider the "safe-action" type of pistol as well. Pistols such the Glock or Springfield XD or Walther P99 make very good carry weapons, and you will not ever have to mess around with a hammer or safety lever. This type of action is kinda similar to a DAO, but without a hammer. I would not consider your choice of M&P (and possibly the Taurii) to be DAO's, since stroking the trigger does not cock a hammer. That is of course a minor distinction...

    Your willingness to get training and seek information is admirable...

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    Played with the Para LDA this weekend at the gun show...

    SWEET trigger for concealed carry...

    From your selection, I'd pack the little LDA, especially if it starts with a 4...

    My 2 cents

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    of the choices you mentioned I'd take the LDA in 45
    I love the looks of that gun and is on my wish list
    its a great company also

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    Interesting. I bought the Covert Carry specifically because of the consistent trigger action and the .45 caliber - it being fundamentally a slab-sided 1911-style appealed to me as well. One down side: the finish isn't as durable as I would want - showing bright metal at the leading edges of the slide - Para Ordinance needs to address that issue - I'm not the first to note this wear pattern. I may end up sending the slide in for a Robar treatment...

    The HK is such a fine pistol, and I am very accurate with it - hard to argue against it, except for the DA/SA transition required. As my instructor says: such things can be overcome with sufficient training and that I intend to get (am getting, as a matter of fact).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    ... I would not consider your choice of M&P (and possibly the Taurii) to be DAO's, since stroking the trigger does not cock a hammer. That is of course a minor distinction...
    Yea. I took a few minutes to lump them into that 'mode'; but hard to short-hand the description of the action they DO have without ending up calling them DAO. At least the trigger mode is consistent. (In fact, the 24/7 is even odd-er - it has that SA to DA transition on a dud)

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    Eliminate any gun that has ever malfunctioned. That'll probably get rid of both 1911s.

    Then have a shoot-off. Use an objective and realistic course of fire, a shot timer - and as little bias as possible. The gun that gives you the best combination of speed and accuracy is the one you want to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Eliminate any gun that has ever malfunctioned. That'll probably get rid of both 1911s.

    Then have a shoot-off. Use an objective and realistic course of fire, a shot timer - and as little bias as possible. The gun that gives you the best combination of speed and accuracy is the one you want to carry.


    Loved that first line!

    The rest is good advice, too.

    Personally, I lean toward guns with a consistent trigger pull from shot-to-shot. I have fired, qualified with, and competed with DA/SA guns, but I felt I had to mentally "work harder" to get the same results as with, say, a Glock. I'd rather use that extra brain power to work on my tactical situation in a defensive shooting scenario.

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    You certainly have a nice selection to choose from. I love my P2000 with a LEM (DAO) trigger. But I have both a USP and a Sig P229 with DA/SA and I wouldn't worry about the transition. If you practice with it, you'll get used to it and become accomplished with that mode. For me, i always think I'm going to be wild with the first DA pull, but usually pleasantly surprise myself.

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    My instructor has me firing the P22 in DA-first-shot now - I have a similiar experience - sometimes my first (DA) shot is the most accurate - several times in one session it was dead center at 7 yards... but I was having a particularly good day.

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    I have several different handguns. I often carry a smith snubby especially in the summer when carring in the pocket is the best option for me. However I do carry a taurus pt145 3" from time to time. It's light and quite accurate once you master the DAO trigger.

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