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    Question Pistol dilema

    I have been researching certain companies and getting advice from friends and family but to no avail, I have not found the right gun. I need a gun specifically for self-defense. Preferably a .45 pistol that is compact, accurate, has good handling and has a good size magazine. I was thinking of Kahr but a family member said it would be wiser to go with something name brand like Hk. Advice would be most appreciated.

    P.S. A pistol that can be equipt with a laser sight would also be on my list along with the above specifications.


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    If you are that new, go buy a gun annual ("wish book"). They have them at magazine stores and the Wally-World. Start your research there. It will put pics and prices at your fingertips. Many gun stores discount on most items. Some brands sell at a premium above MSRP.
    As you narrow your choices, go to the web sites of the models that interest you.
    Any caliber of .38 special or above is adequate for personal defense against two legged predators.
    9mm seems to be the most popular and is the cheapest of the centerfire calibers to practice with.
    Take the N.R.A.Safety course. It will familiarize you with manual of arms and saftey issues.
    These are just to start.
    Read through the forums to gain other peoples opinions and experiences. These same questions are covered regularly.
    Read this article. It was written by someone a lot more wise than me.
    http://www.survivalprimer.com/PaulsG...se_Firearm.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummin man 627 View Post
    If you are that new, go buy a gun annual ("wish book"). They have them at magazine stores and the Wally-World. Start your research there. It will put pics and prices at your fingertips. Many gun stores discount on most items. Some brands sell at a premium above MSRP.
    As you narrow your choices, go to the web sites of the models that interest you.
    Any caliber of .38 special or above is adequate for personal defense against two legged predators.
    9mm seems to be the most popular and is the cheapest of the centerfire calibers to practice with.
    Take the N.R.A.Safety course. It will familiarize you with manual of arms and saftey issues.
    These are just to start.
    Read through the forums to gain other peoples opinions and experiences. These same questions are covered regularly.
    Read this article. It was written by someone a lot more wise than me.
    http://www.survivalprimer.com/PaulsG...se_Firearm.htm
    P.S. Wecome aboard.
    Drummin Man, Well spoken Sir! plus 1 on what he said.
    Welcome aboard from Texas, Razgriz325.

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    Shoot an XD 45, then shoot everything else, then buy the XD... That's what I did

    LOL

    Lasermax build a laser for the light rail, but wait for the crimson trace setup. Should be out in a few months...

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    "for self-defense. Preferably a .45 pistol that is compact, accurate, has good handling and has a good size magazine."
    1- self defense: then its 45 -- if you live in an apartment or mobile home a 9mm is of higher velocity it could hurt someone else. Many have told me that the 45 with hollow points is subsonic and won't go nearly as far.
    2- compact: now we are talking about a 3" barrell or 4" top
    3- accurate: Kimber; S&W; Glock, Para-Ord, & Springfield, just to name a few
    4- good handling: this is where you and your HAND come in - it has to feel comfortable in your hand.
    5- good size magazine: this is what rules out the Kahr, Glock 36 and a lot of Kimbers because they have single stacks (6-7 rounds). Therefore, for the high cap requirement, you go with double stack magazines. You are now talking about Springfield XD45 (13 round mag), Glock 30 (10 round mag), S&W M&P45 (10 round mag), Para-Ord Warthog or the Nite Hawg (both hold 10 rounds in the mag)
    6- laser light: can go on all of the above either by a rail or Crimson Trace
    All of the above are 24-29 oz unloaded
    The Springfield and the Glock are the Chepest
    The Springfield holds more
    Advantage Springfield XD!!

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    Thanks for the advice everyone, I really appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummin man 627 View Post
    If you are that new, go buy a gun annual ("wish book"). They have them at magazine stores and the Wally-World. Start your research there. It will put pics and prices at your fingertips. Many gun stores discount on most items. Some brands sell at a premium above MSRP.
    As you narrow your choices, go to the web sites of the models that interest you.
    Any caliber of .38 special or above is adequate for personal defense against two legged predators.
    9mm seems to be the most popular and is the cheapest of the centerfire calibers to practice with.
    Take the N.R.A.Safety course. It will familiarize you with manual of arms and saftey issues.

    These are just to start.
    Read through the forums to gain other peoples opinions and experiences. These same questions are covered regularly.
    Read this article. It was written by someone a lot more wise than me.
    http://www.survivalprimer.com/PaulsG...se_Firearm.htm
    P.S. Wecome aboard.
    that was a good article drummin,but why doesnt he mention speer gold dot in the parts about the ammo? how long ago was this written?

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    Double stack .45s can be a handfull. Make sure it fits your hand. Wilson Combat is making a polymer .45 now, I believe.

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    stormbringer, I don't know when that article was written. I've had it for a couple of years. I also have seen it worded slightly differently somewhere else. I'm sure there have been improvments since it was written.
    I just recomend it as a place to start.
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    But We Want To Know Which One You Picked!!

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    Springfield has a double stack polymer .45 now too...

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    Welcome Raz! I am a HK owner and advocate. I own a HK USPc .40 and love it. But if you are looking smaller caliber I highly recommend the Kahr Arms. It is the approved weapon to carry off duty by the NYPD, I own one with an Arma Laser and I love it. It is my summer carry since it is light, slim, and compact:


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    I second that...


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    Wow, you all have an arsenal.Those Kahr's look very nice. At the moment though, I am looking into the springfield XD .45 . They seem like nice handguns but I read that the customer service is horrible when it comes to ordering spare parts if your gun goes down. I might just end up with an HK USP. In the mean time I will search HK and head over to wilson arms like Falshman70 hinted. As always, the suggestions are very helpful!

    P.S. That bullet article was very helpful. If I find any other links I will post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razgriz325 View Post
    Wow, you all have an arsenal.Those Kahr's look very nice. At the moment though, I am looking into the springfield XD .45 . They seem like nice handguns but I read that the customer service is horrible when it comes to ordering spare parts if your gun goes down. I might just end up with an HK USP. In the mean time I will search HK and head over to wilson arms like Falshman70 hinted. As always, the suggestions are very helpful!

    P.S. That bullet article was very helpful. If I find any other links I will post them.
    I think you have it backwards with the parts ordering. HK "customer service" is absolutely infamous for giving civilian gun owners a hard time. If you aren't police or LE, they basically don't care if your gun works or not.

    As far as the earlier post about .45ACP being safer to fire indoors than 9mm, it's pretty much a wash in real life. Both will easily blow through six interior walls (http://theboxotruth.com/). I wouldn't make a choice based on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I think you have it backwards with the parts ordering. HK "customer service" is absolutely infamous for giving civilian gun owners a hard time. If you aren't police or LE, they basically don't care if your gun works or not.

    I see this mentioned a lot - and it just gets repeated and repeated by people who don't even own HKs.

    Things have changed. They still aren't as great as S&W, but they've really gotten their act together, and are much better now...

    I have 1 HK, and plan to get the HK45 as soon as it is released. I prev had a fullsize USP, and I dealt with HK customer service to deal with a bad magazine. No problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    I see this mentioned a lot - and it just gets repeated and repeated by people who don't even own HKs.

    Things have changed. They still aren't as great as S&W, but they've really gotten their act together, and are much better now...

    I have 1 HK, and plan to get the HK45 as soon as it is released. I prev had a fullsize USP, and I dealt with HK customer service to deal with a bad magazine. No problems.
    Must be a relatively recent change, then, since I was getting horrible feedback about HK customer service as recently as a year ago while working at Galco.

    But it is true, I don't own an HK, nor do I have any desire to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razgriz325 View Post
    Wow, you all have an arsenal.Those Kahr's look very nice. At the moment though, I am looking into the springfield XD .45 . They seem like nice handguns but I read that the customer service is horrible when it comes to ordering spare parts if your gun goes down. I might just end up with an HK USP. In the mean time I will search HK and head over to wilson arms like Falshman70 hinted. As always, the suggestions are very helpful!

    P.S. That bullet article was very helpful. If I find any other links I will post them.
    springfield likes you to send your gun in so they can fix it. there are places now that make parts for springfields.except for not selling parts springfield C.S. is very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormbringerr View Post
    springfield likes you to send your gun in so they can fix it. there are places now that make parts for springfields.except for not selling parts springfield C.S. is very good.
    Really? Sounds great. Oh, here is a link I found not too long ago. I know this is a handgun forum but, I am gonna need a fixed blade to supplement it, you may want one too. These guys have some interesting blades with "features". Better to be safe than sorry right? Enjoy!

    http://www.darkopsknives.com/

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    My vote is for the Smith & Wesson M&P

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