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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    But what would a lawyer say about my statement? "The neat thing about a revolver is that you can screw the barrel of the gun right into the bastard's eye socket and pull the trigger and it will go 'bang'. You can't say the same for a auto in that same situation."
    I don't know what a lawyer would say, but I'd say you were a bit careless, letting the "bastard" get that close to you before you shot him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    I don't know what a lawyer would say, but I'd say you were a bit careless, letting the "bastard" get that close to you before you shot him.
    OK, how about this statement:

    The neat thing about a revovler is you can sneak up behind the bastard, screw the barrel into the back of his skull and pull the trigger and you could be sure that there would be a "bang". You could not say the same thing about a semi-auto.

    Of course you could say, "The neat thing about a Barrett chambered in .338 Lapua is that you can stand a full mile away and still blow the bastard's brains out. You can't say the same thing about a revolver or a semi-auto pistol."

    (Is that far enough away for you?)

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    I have a couple of semi-autos that I could press the front end up against a person's head and not be out of battery. Just because you can get that close doesn't mean it's even close to a smart move.

    By all means, you let 'em get as close, or you get as close as you want... I prefer distance to be on MY side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    I have a couple of semi-autos that I could press the front end up against a person's head and not be out of battery. Just because you can get that close doesn't mean it's even close to a smart move.

    By all means, you let 'em get as close, or you get as close as you want... I prefer distance to be on MY side.
    I agree. You want to stay out of knife-wielding distance if you can. But sometimes you cannot. And some autos (obviously not all) will go out of battery if you find you are in that situation.

    For example, some monster-sized bad guy runs up and tackles you. You might find yourself in close contact in that situation. Though I don't know if you will be in sufficient danger (if he does not have a weapon) to allow you to shoot him. In New York you need to feel threatened with "deadly physical force" before you can shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    ...For example, some monster-sized bad guy runs up and tackles you...
    If a "monster-sized bad guy" ran up and tackled me, I'd have to admit that I had suffered a significant lapse of situational awareness.

    I might not have seen the rabid mouse which bit my ankle, but I certainly should've been aware of any "monster-sized bad guy" in my vicinity, and of the direction in which he was travelling. (BTW: Your "monster-size bad guy" is a straw man.)

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    ok, ok .... what if......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    ...And there, in just a very few well-chosen words, is your answer.

    It doesn't matter what caliber you shoot, as long as you are cognizant of its limitations and you place your shots well.
    Practical accuracy trumps caliber, every time.
    An undeniably true statement, but hardly useful in selecting a caliber. The presumption is that the O.P. will practice sufficiently with the caliber he chooses to become proficient.

    The difference is more in the weapons than the caliber.

    9mm: Semi-auto weapons. Available with high bullet count magazines in full sized weapons, or in 6 to 8 shot magazines in very compact weapons. Ammo is the cheapest of all the service calibers. Some of the weapons are very accurate, easy to shoot and reliable. Some are less than ideally accurate, difficult to shoot and less than reliable.

    .38 caliber: Revolvers. 5 to 8 round capacity. From large, easy to shoot, but difficult to conceal weapons, to very small, light weapons that can be difficult to shoot and easy to conceal. Very reliable weapons. All .357 weapons can shoot .38s (except Coonan pistols). This offer a greater versatility than 9mm. The .357 is a proven man-stopper. Ammo is more expensive than 9mm, but way cheaper than other service caliber ammo.

    It all boils down to which type of weapon you prefer: auto or revolver.

    Autos have the option of greater round counts, quicker reloads, smaller weapons, and generally easier to manage recoil.

    Revolvers have a reliability advantage, simplicity in loading and "making safe" the weapon.

    In either case, you should learn to shoot the weapon well. Know your ability in aimed fire, slow aimed fire and rapid fire. Practice with practice ammo and also with your personal protection ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    An undeniably true statement, but hardly useful in selecting a caliber. The presumption is that the O.P. will practice sufficiently with the caliber he chooses to become proficient.

    The difference is more in the weapons than the caliber.
    The difference is being able to hit your intended target, REGARDLESS of the caliber used. Kind of silly to buy and carry a .44 Magnum, if you can't hit anything with it. Improve your technique with a lowly .22, than as your proficiency increases, graduate to larger calibers. You don't build a house starting with the roof... gotta have a foundation first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    The difference is being able to hit your intended target, REGARDLESS of the caliber used. Kind of silly to buy and carry a .44 Magnum, if you can't hit anything with it. Improve your technique with a lowly .22, than as your proficiency increases, graduate to larger calibers. You don't build a house starting with the roof... gotta have a foundation first.
    I agree. My first weapon was a S & W model 19, a .357 magnum with a square butt and a 4" barrel.

    My first rounds through it were .38 wadcutters. Light loadings that were easy to control. I moved up from wadcutters to full-house .38s after that. There was no +P back then so I went from .38s to .357s.

    I still think this is a logical progression for learning to shoot. And a 4" barrel on a .357 magnum makes an excellent house gun, if not an excellent carry gun. It is a bit too heaviy and the square butt prints a bit too much for easy concealment in my opinion. But this progression from wadcutters to full-house .357s is a good way to learn to shoot.

    Addendum: I know that in the late 1970s none of the .38 revolvers I saw were rated for +P and I did not learn of that term until sometime later. I just did a Google search and I was unable to learn the year that SAAMI adopted +P designations. So to my knowledge there was no +P ammo back then.

    Amplification: I went to the SAAMI website and found published pressures document. According to the document it was first published in 1979. See: http://www.saami.org/specifications_...tion/index.cfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    ...It doesn't matter what caliber you shoot, as long as you are cognizant of its limitations and you place your shots well.
    Practical accuracy trumps caliber, every time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    An undeniably true statement, but hardly useful in selecting a caliber. The presumption is that the O.P. will practice sufficiently with the caliber he chooses to become proficient...
    Packard, what part of "cognizant of its limitations and...place your shots well" do you not understand?
    You cannot "place your shots well" without extensive practice, and practice is not caliber dependent.
    "Cognizant of its limitations" is the caliber-dependent part, and that is more a product of academic study than of physical experience.

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    Tactics, training and practice coupled with shots in the ten ring far outweigh the differences in 38 Special and 9mm as a self defense round. Either one will do it's job if you do yours.

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