View Poll Results: which is better for personal protection

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    84 86.60%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    Neither!!

    20 or so years ago, a local BG was shot 3 times with a 38. He beat the snot of of the Cop that shot him!!


    I traded my 38 for a 44 special. I traded my 9mm for a 10mm. My wife traded her 380 for a 357mag. My wife and I don't carry our mouse guns (25's/32's) anymore unless it's the only weapon we can conceal.

    These days, if the BG is hyped up on drugs, a small caliber may just make him angrier.


    Bigger rounds will do more damage, they have a better chance of putting down the BG even if he is angrier.

    As always, just my opinion.
    I'll just point out that defense ammo, in all calibers, has improved dramatically in the last decade or so. The margins between calibers are narrower than they've ever been, certainly much more so than twenty years ago.

    Anyway, many people can't shoot magnums and 10mms nearly as well as .38s and 9mms, and a hit with one of the latter beats the hell out of a miss with the former. Heck, I have pretty considerable shooting experience, and would choose a good 9mm over a .357/.44 Special/10mm any day.
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    if i ever(god forbid) run into a BG the size of larry allen that was on dallas offensive line and could bench press 800lbs. i would not want to have anything under a .45

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    on the matter of court security check out this moron trying to take a leos weapon http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468187...ficers_weapon/

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormbringerr View Post
    on the matter of court security check out this moron trying to take a leos weapon http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468187...ficers_weapon/
    FYI Got the Sorry your item was removed from metacafe I wonder if you can download those and I've seen people hear put you tube videos on here without a link?

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    I think bazoka should be added to the selection.

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    For any that don't know it, the .38/357 is only .002 inches larger than a 9MM (.357 vs. .355), so same weight projectiles are for all practical purposes equal.

    Having run a few .38's and 9MM's through the chronograph recently I have to consider the .38 snubby a mouse gun. Gold Dot 125 gr +P's came out 900 FPS and Winchester White box at 773 FPS avg. Although the 9MM I tested were reloads they were below the lowest charge listed in my load charts.(5.0 gr VV N340) The 9's were in the 1050 FPS range from an M&P9 with 4 1/4 inch barrel. The snubby has a 2 1/2 inch barrel which equates to approx 3 3/4 in an auto given that the chamber is included in barrel dimension specs for auto's.

    I had to load the snubby to low end .357 levels to come close to 9MM performance.

    I carry my snubby on ocasion but it has .357 loads in it, not .38 Special.


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    I will go with the 9mm personally. Like it was said before PD ammo selection is the most important decision in my opinion when carrying. I will take my chances with 147 +P jhp to send 'em back to Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    I think bazoka should be added to the selection.
    I'm curious. Who's muscles is your avatar wearing this month??


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    They are about equal but more capacity goes to the auto, hence - my vote is for the 9mm.

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    Hey MIke, if you can't be kind...........at least be vague.

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    Yup my vote goes towards the 9mm... Guess I just grew up watching Leathel Weapon to much

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    I don't think caliber becomes relevant until shot placement has been achieved. Even then, differences in actual point of impact, and trajectory through the target/body, can skew comparisons.

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    When I learned to hunt I was not good at it until I learned how to shoot accurately, then learned how to kill the animal. Same with self defense. Learn how to shoot accurately then learn how to effectively stop your opponent. Caliber makes less difference than you imagine. There is no magic bullet. The 9 or the 38 will work no matter what type of handgun it's packaged in if you know how to operate it.

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    The only reason the 9mm wins is for other factors

    Both a .38 and a 9mm will do fine as a personal protection round however 9mm beats the .38 because ammo is CHEAPER and MORE READILY AVAILABLE. Basically you can go to walmart and holy shit, theres a bunch of 9mm ammo at a low cost

    Both are fine calibers tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
    I don't think caliber becomes relevant until shot placement has been achieved...
    ...And there, in just a very few well-chosen words, is your answer.

    It doesn't matter what caliber you shoot, as long as you are cognizant of its limitations and you place your shots well.
    Practical accuracy trumps caliber, every time.

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    glocks dont come in .38 special

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    Do you see this post is from 09-18-2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    The only reason the 9mm wins is for other factors

    Both a .38 and a 9mm will do fine as a personal protection round however 9mm beats the .38 because ammo is CHEAPER and MORE READILY AVAILABLE. Basically you can go to walmart and holy shit, theres a bunch of 9mm ammo at a low cost

    Both are fine calibers tho
    I have not seen any personal protection ammo at walmart. Maybe the have it in Iowa City I don't know. Cheap is not a reason for personal protection.

    It is an old resurected thread but good points are good points no matter when they were made and silly rambling are such too. Make a good shot as was said in this thread on 09/26/2011 and is still very accurate and credible today..................Practical accuracy trumps caliber, every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    That's totally inaccurate. Please cite a single case where a lawyer had a "field day" with the simple fact that the defender used an auto.

    Autos are the choice of practically every police department in America, every US federal law enforcement agency, the entire US military, and are recommended by every serious instructor in the country (including Mas Ayoob, who is the one usually cited in silly statements like this). A DA or tort lawyer wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he attacked an auto-toting defender in an otherwise justifiable shooting, and would come out looking like an idiot.

    If I ever have to shoot someone on the streets of America, I hope the prosecution tries to say I am a bloodthirsty fiend for carrying a Glock. I won't need my own attorney, Mas Ayoob, or the ghost of Jeff Cooper to make him look like a fool. I'll do it myself by asking him what kind of guns the court security personnel are carrying.
    I don't see this as an attack post. It seems like a passionate debate to me. I will agree that the use of "auto" when we mean "semi-auto" is a bit off-putting for the general non-shooting public. A great number of people who don't shoot don't understand the difference between auto and semi-auto, they don't understand the difference between single action and double action either.

    I'm fairly certain that at some time in the past some lawyer said, "You fired your gun at my client and it was fired in single action mode. Was it not? And it is generally recognized that double action is safer from accidental discharge is it not?"

    To which the cop says, "Yeah, that's true. But I didn't accidentally shoot the rapist-bastard. I pulled the trigger to shoot the rapist bastard."

    Lawyers turn things around in the most convoluted ways sometimes. So it would not surprise me if one did "have a field day" with a semi-auto vs. a revolver.

    But what would a lawyer say about my statement? "The neat thing about a revolver is that you can screw the barrel of the gun right into the bastard's eye socket and pull the trigger and it will go 'bang'. You can't say the same for a auto in that same situation."

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