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    Get a handgun from a company that is reputable and known for quality. It'll cost you a little more but from what I've found the cost of the pistol will be vastly cheaper than the cost of the ammo used while becoming proficient with it. Glock is always a good place to start. Lone Wolf makes conversion barrels for the 40 cal Glocks so you can practice or shoot 9mm's on the range and all you need is a magazine for the 9mm and the barrel. A 22 LR conversion is a good addition too. As for caliber the 9mm and 40 are very high intensity cartridges and wear the pistol quicker than say the 45 ACP and have a much snappier recoil. All 3 will work for defense if you can shoot well. I carry a 9 lots and feel okay about it's effectiveness but I'm not going to be shooting centermass either. I thought I'd missed one but it just hit the edge.

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    Yeah get a .40 and practice. 9mm to weak and .45 not enough rounds. .40 is the perfect caliber, mine holds 11. Plus hydrostatic shock factor.

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    My vote get you a 9mm plenty of handgun for your first pistol plus ammo is cheap I have larger calibers but my 9mm is still my favorite.

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    I'm going to have to go with the 40 caliber. My opinion, the 40cal is that middle bullet between the 9 and 45. The recoil isn't
    that bad and it packs power as well. Plus the magazine capacity is pretty good, just my opinion.

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    Go back to WWII are boy had 9mm. And the 9 was getting are man killed.Thick and heavy clothing No power in them, That is where colt came out with the .45. Police Officers drop 9mm for .40cal .. Note 9mm is a 38'special. In to day world, Most have .40 or 10mm and 45cal. For a power house pistol.

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    Glock model 23 .40 caliber.....awesome gun, shoot one a few tmes, all the 9's feel like pellet guns after.........of corse, this is my opinion!

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    Ya a .40 had a lot more power to it. Like I was telling them. Officers use a .40 y. Like your g23 and my g27 and g22. Note My g27 holds 9+1,My g22 15+1. Offices use the g22 for just that. More power and still have a mag with a lot ammunition in the mag. And your g23 I think I'm right 13+1. But the 9mm is still a power house pistol. But with all the testing 9mm come a little off of the power in to days world. Back in wwII they show are man shooting people with 9mm,And they would get back up and kill are boys. Japan and German had .45cal Or the 13mm.

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    You guys got me thinking so much in this lol, I read a lot and do a lot with my RO at the range.( RO is Range Officer ) So I was looking on some place I was reading up on this.( The why and why not ) My be this can help. FBI Site.
    FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness - FirearmsTactical.com

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    9mm to the head, the bastard is dead -thats my motto

    I can definitely see where a .40 will outgun a 9, like if say you were shooting at vehicles, but even in this case, careful placed shots outweigh any "power" you get from a 9 to a 40 IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    9mm to the head, the bastard is dead -thats my motto

    I can definitely see where a .40 will outgun a 9, like if say you were shooting at vehicles, but even in this case, careful placed shots outweigh any "power" you get from a 9 to a 40 IMO
    I like my carefully placed with a .40 myself. Hydrostatic shock doesn't hurt either.

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    The caliber wars will go on for ever ... some like .45 acp .. some .40 cal .. some 9mm.

    I personally shoot the 9mm because of cost.

    I like shooting the .45 acp the most.

    If you shoot a lot (I do)

    Then the difference in ammo cost in 1 year between the 9 mm and a .40 or a .45

    Will save you enough to buy yourself another gun.

    The last 2 .40 cal's I bought, I bought a Bar-Sto 9mm conversion barrel for and mainly shoot 9mm in them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    I like my carefully placed with a .40 myself. Hydrostatic shock doesn't hurt either.
    Ive seen ppl who can shoot .40 extremely well, but if you shoot .40 extremely well, I would guess you shoot 9mm perfect. If a hypothetical situation escalated to where I had to draw a pistol on a very specific spot (like movie scenario where bad guy takes human shield and bad guy's head popping out) if I had a .40 or a 9mm, I would choose the 9 to take the shot if i had to... (obviously its a ridiculously hypothetical and silly scenario seeing as 99.9% of the time you should never take the shot) BUT Would you take the shot with the .40 over the 9mm if you had to? I would hesitate, but not with a .45 or a 9mm

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    I would only shoot what I have practiced with. If I practiced with a .40 I would shot a .40. Caliber is not in direct corrilation to ones ability to control a handgun, I don't think anyway.

    The logic in the if you shot a .40 Extremely well you would shoot a 9mm perfect is .......I don't know the word......goofy works.

    There are so many factors to consider other then just caliber. I put very little credence in movie or TV senerios. If so I saw a guy on Criminal Minds, The middle aged guy who is the boss, shoot a BG off the top of a moving train while in a car driving on railroad tracks sticking his head out the window, with a Glock 17 (I assumed) from about 50 feet. What gun would you use to make that shot? I don't know which one I would use. But at least he used a 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    I would agree w/the above -- 9mm will do just fine. The 9mm is about the cheapest centerfire cartridge you can find, which will allow you to shoot more often and therefore allow you to better your skills. I've paid as little as $4.97 a box for CCI Blazer. There are also a great number of excellent cartridges made for self-defense, so you will not be under-gunned when it comes to self-protection. Most 9mm variants can also be found in .40, but there are a few models that will come only in 9 and not in 40.

    At any rate, you won't go wrong with either caliber, as long as you buy a decent pistol....

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    Wow, remember when a box of 50 9mm Blazer rounds was $4.99. It doesn't seem all that long ago.

    Anyway, in answer to the 9mm / .40 question. I've found myself now going 3x back to .40 to try to master it and shoot it as well as a 9mm or even a .45, and it just doesn't happen. Rather, single shot accuracy is fine, but it's the 2nd shot that takes a bit to get downrange accurately.

    Having said that, some of the newer .40 offerings are better than they were when the .40 first became popular. I have a Gen4 G23 and M&P40F and both seem to handle (better 2nd shot recovery)the .40 better than previous Glocks and other, older offerings. I find myself sometimes practicing w/ .40 FMJ to be more competent w/ 9mm HP.

    I still like .45 the best though.

    As for perceived bullet performance...

    Yes, I do believe a modern 9mm HP offers enough terminal performance to be competitive w/ the .40/.45 offerings. However, if you're not using the latest/greatest 9mm HP rounds, my warm and fuzzy feeling on the 9mm seems to diminish a bit, especially w/ FMJ. You always see .40 available at WalMart and where ever, while 9mm and especially .45 can be hit or miss. My 1st pick in an FMJ would be the .40 due to the flat point.

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    I have always been taught that the .40 was superior to the 9mm as a personal protection weapon, but recently read this very interesting artical to the contrary.

    Being Wrong is Important... and, Admitting It is too! Or: Why Rob Pincus now prefers the 9mm over .40 S&W for Personal Defense.



    Being Wrong is Important... and, Admitting It is too!

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    124 gr Gold Dot hollow +p short barrel 9 mm is all the fire power you will need. Look up the ballistic. 13 inches of penetration nearly twice the diameter with almost zero loss of bullet mass. Seriously what more do you need ? Those results will stop anyone. I would focus on shot placement and 9 mm will not be as punishing when it comes to recoil on a pocket gun. 9 mm delivers and a lot cheaper than a 40 cal.

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    For a first handgun, a 9 mm is a better choice. Easier to shoot well and cheaper to keep. I'd strongly recommend you consider pistols that have a .22 adapter kit available (CZ 75 being one example among many). Even more shooting for even less money.

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    If 9mm was all the gun you need, and considering that 9mm ammo is cheaper and you carry more rounds of 9mm than you would of .40 or .357 Sig, then why have the FBI and police departments all over the country been flocking away from 9mm and to the more robust calibers?

    The answer is, I will suggest, that 9mm is not all the gun you need; in fact is is not nearly all the gun you need. You want to believe that it is because the ammo is cheaper and the guns are smaller, and the recoil is lighter. But wanting to believe something is true is not the same as it being true.

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    I was interested because I had not heard of that site, and looked at it. I compared them, ammunitiontogo.com, and cheaperthan dirt.com, and cheaperthandirt.com is on average a dollar per box cheaper for ammo......just sayin

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    A guy can get by with a 9mm, a .22 would even do the job. The .22 is used in a lot of butcher shops to take down cattle, its all in round placement. HOWEVER, for home and personal defense, I prefer my .40 s&w.

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