About all you can do is move.

Originally Posted by Joejitsu

Hey guys, I spent the last few days researching on pocket pistols and had decided pretty much to get a kel tec...until today I found that they are not legal in CA, argh! Any Californians on here share their thoughts on good CA legal pocket pistols? Thanks.

Joe

Kel Tec's NOT Legal???
Why in the world NOT? Do they give an explanation behind this?

Originally Posted by ArmyCop

Kel Tec's NOT Legal???
Why in the world NOT? Do they give an explanation behind this?

The explanation is "IT'S CALIFORNIA" Next with Roise's help they will pass a law that you can not own any kind of firearm on the fourth of July. That means you have to sell them all before and then buy again after the 4th.

Originally Posted by ArmyCop

Kel Tec's NOT Legal???
Why in the world NOT? Do they give an explanation behind this?

The california laws require all new handguns produced to pass a three part safety test. First, they drop them several times and cannot misfire. Second they must be able to shoot 600 rounds with less than 3 malfunctions (i think). Finally, they must have some sort of external safety (which the kel tecs do not).

Joe

Ohhhhh. Ok. That makes a little sense now.

With no external safety I guess that'd outlaw most if not all snubbies right?

Originally Posted by Joejitsu

The california laws require all new handguns produced to pass a three part safety test. First, they drop them several times and cannot misfire. Second they must be able to shoot 600 rounds with less than 3 malfunctions (i think). Finally, they must have some sort of external safety (which the kel tecs do not).

Joe

You also forget all the cash the manufacturers have to fork over for these "tests" to be conducted. Every variant of the same model must also be tested.

Originally Posted by ArmyCop

Ohhhhh. Ok. That makes a little sense now.

With no external safety I guess that'd outlaw most if not all snubbies right?

Not if they have those infernal key locks on them.

Originally Posted by Joejitsu

Finally, they must have some sort of external safety (which the kel tecs do not).

I guess that makes Glocks and XD's and all revolvers illegal there too then? That doesn't seem right. Then again, it is Kaliforniastan.

Originally Posted by Todd

I guess that makes Glocks and XD's and all revolvers illegal there too then? That doesn't seem right. Then again, it is Kaliforniastan.

I got a big yellow sticker on my XD that says it's illegal in California. good think I have to plans of moving there. I'm supprised my XD doesn't have a sticker telling my that "this product is know, by the state of California, to cause cancer"

I hear that they cause "lead poisoning" too I

Originally Posted by Joejitsu

Second they must be able to shoot 600 rounds with less than 3 malfunctions
Joe

That's why the Kel-Tec isn't legal

Originally Posted by Todd

I guess that makes Glocks and XD's and all revolvers illegal there too then? That doesn't seem right. Then again, it is Kaliforniastan.

No, they are legal in California because the safety is the trigger safety on the glocks and the trigger safety + grip safety on the XDs. It doesn't have to be an old school safety, just some sort of safety from what I understand. Every gun store in CA sells a ton of glocks and XDs (purchased one last week) so they are definitely legal.

Joe

I just bought a very nice SP101, no safety. I am surprised I can buy ANY handgun in this messed up State.

Originally Posted by Joejitsu

Hey guys, I spent the last few days researching on pocket pistols and had decided pretty much to get a kel tec...until today I found that they are not legal in CA, argh! Any Californians on here share their thoughts on good CA legal pocket pistols? Thanks.

Joe

You can one one provided that it is made of PINK plastic and will not hold more than 5 cc's of water. Oh, and it cannot have an effective range beyond 3 feet.

Not really impressed with my P3-AT. I guess a Kahr would also be out of the question. I do like my P40.
Do like Tommy Lee Jones says,"get yourself a Glock, and get rid of that nickle plated sissy pistol."

Yup, Kel-Tecs aren't allowed in CA.

Check this DOJ site that tells you what CA allow and what don't allow:
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Glocks are on the list! What about a subcompact Glock model 26?

I'd like to see a list of five good pocket pistols that are California legal. I don't want to spend time bashing California, it's a great State and other than the limited selection of guns to purchase, I love the State. I can wait ten days to pick up a weapon, I just wish I had more choices. I'm certainly not going to move so I can buy a Ruger LCP.

Everyone is missing the biggest reason why a some handguns cannot be sold in KA. Manufacturers decline to submit a handgun for testing. If you want to sell it in KA, you must submit several samples of each model for testing. XD's are legal for sale, XDM's are not. All Glocks are legal, as are most Sigs. External safties are not an issue, internal safties are. Alot of manufacturers have just written off KA. I can't say I blame them.

We spell California with a "C". I sometimes think that people are jealous of California and all it's natural beauty. If these gun manufacturers want to write California off, that's their business. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I can roll with it. I can only buy so many guns anyway.

Originally Posted by pokeyoakey

We spell California with a "C". I sometimes think that people are jealous of California and all it's natural beauty. If these gun manufacturers want to write California off, that's their business. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I can roll with it. I can only buy so many guns anyway.

its not that the gun mfg want to write off california, its that california makes selling some guns there cost prohibitive. their required "testing" (which the mfg pays for) is not only for each model but each variant of each model..... so not only does the model xb93 need to be tested, but in all 13 barrel lengths available, and 4 different finishes, and 5 different grips and 3 different sights (night sights are the same as standard sights, their ONLY exemption)

so the mfg has to submit 780 xb93 guns for testing ..... and thats just that model in ONE caliber, each model, each caliber, each barrel length, each finish, each grip, each sight (cept night sights) and when the certificate expires, they gotta do it again.

oh, and in california you cant manufacture a pistol in the state if it doesnt pass the tests, yet you cant submit a pistol for testing unless you manufacture it.

if you submit a pistol for testing to see if its safe for sale, your results will never be SAFE.... its either "unsafe" or "not unsafe".... if it was "safe" the mfg might not be able to be sued.

so its not jealousy that is keeping gun mfg from california, its the asinine liberal lawmakers PUSHING them away

Good explanation of the process, but rather than blame one particular ideology, It'd be more apt to blame a ridiculous bureaucracy that feeds off of these type of rules and regulations.There are just as many assanine conservative lawmakers who want to take away my freedom and force their religion down my throat. I also wonder if this process actually makes any money for California. I would have purchased ten times as many guns if the rules were more relaxed. That would include the taxes and the fees involved. The gun stores would benefit as well as the State. Like I said, I'm grown up enough to wait ten days for a handgun, but I'd rather wait three. California, is still a great State to live in and I just happen to be be a progressive who enjoys collecting firearms and who cherishes my Second Amendment rights. I try to explain to my more liberal buddies that it's easier for a bad guy to get a gun than it is for me to get one legally, but no dice.

Originally Posted by pokeyoakey

Good explanation of the process, but rather than blame one particular ideology, It'd be more apt to blame a ridiculous bureaucracy that feeds off of these type of rules and regulations.There are just as many assanine conservative lawmakers who want to take away my freedom and force their religion down my throat. ....

this process is a result of one particular ideology, more conservative states do not see the need for this kind of idiocy.

your feelings about conservatives and their religious views have nothing to do with this process and is a bait and switch..... if we were on a religious forum, it might have merit but not here.

liberals politicians rule california, make the laws, run the courts and drive away business'

Originally Posted by pokeyoakey

Good explanation of the process, but rather than blame one particular ideology, It'd be more apt to blame a ridiculous bureaucracy that feeds off of these type of rules and regulations.There are just as many assanine conservative lawmakers who want to take away my freedom and force their religion down my throat. I also wonder if this process actually makes any money for California. I would have purchased ten times as many guns if the rules were more relaxed. That would include the taxes and the fees involved. The gun stores would benefit as well as the State. Like I said, I'm grown up enough to wait ten days for a handgun, but I'd rather wait three. California, is still a great State to live in and I just happen to be be a progressive who enjoys collecting firearms and who cherishes my Second Amendment rights. I try to explain to my more liberal buddies that it's easier for a bad guy to get a gun than it is for me to get one legally, but no dice.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
From your post you appear to have the following views:
You want less govt regulation.
You are pro 2 nd amendment.
You are pro capitalism.
You prefer to not depend on the police to protect you.
You are not a progressive. You may not be a conservative (about which, you are wrong, by the way. I don't care about your religion, just leave me & mine alone.), but you will have to see about turning in the progressive card. Stand by for the intervention from your progressive friends.
If you want lower taxes & a pickup truck, turn that card in immediately.

I see absolutely no S&W .380's on that list.........commies////