I ordered a Beretta Neos today. Bud's had a price I couldn't pass on. I shot my friend's Neos and have been watching the prices. $214 today at Bud's with free shipping. Add the $25 FFL fee and that's a bargain.
22 for carry
I love my 22's and I have carried 22 pistols. Out of 100 I will get one failure to feed. My center fire pistols never malfunction. My main cw is a center fire but not for the caliber but for reliability.
Well I finally found a Phoenix 22A at gun show in late Feb. So far so good, I need to fix safety issue down to only one(want to keep it to where warranty isn't voided). I'm running various brands of ammo to see which it likes best. Safty's are a PITA still gettting to know pistol, read manual. At 15 yards I can keep shots in a head size target. Far from a high end handgun but I wanted a plinker, I can shoot anytime I want where I live. Pistol looks like a Walther P22 but so do some other 22 handguns.
I purchased my M&P22 about (6) weeks ago and have put just over 1000 rounds thru it with only (2) FTE's. I highly recommend this handgun!!!
I would try online. I do know (Fin Feather and Fur Outfitters) sells them if you have on in your area.
Originally Posted by JTEX53
You can also get one from
Cheaper Then Dirt Guns - Buy Pistols, Rifles & Shotguns Online at Discount Prices
You will have to call to get an eta on when they will be arriving again, or you can call Phoenix Arms to ask them when they will shipping more out.
Here is a list of other online retailers that sell them
I would try to find the deluxe range kit because it comes with a 3 inch and 5 inch barrel, cleaning kit etc. for like $180.00 (NIB)
If you order online all you got to do is go to a local dealer that does an FFA and it usually costs $25.00 to do, and you will give that paperwork to the online retailer. Once you do that they will ship it to your dealer, and you can pick it up.
If you got a little extra cash I recommend the Beretta U22 Neos. It is a really dependable gun, and you can get accessories like rubber incert grip, sights, and barrels up to 7" long. It comes with a 4.5" barrel, 2 clips, case, and lock which depending on the state a lock it always required nowadays with a new gun.
Here is what it looks like with the grey incert grip
Here is the rifle add on you can purchase for it. It turns your gun into a rifle. Sweetness
You can get the U22 Neos for $229.00 (NIB) which is what I paid. Here is the link for accessories like grip, sights etc...
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I don't have any experience with Phoenix Arms, but I was considering it because they have it have Fin Feather & Fur for $130.00 (NIB)
I like Walther. Smith & Wesson actually contracted Walther to make the M&P22 for them. It's the best of both worlds. Basically not many differences from the M&P9MM. The M&P22 might be my next gun after the M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp.
Originally Posted by JTEX53
When I started purchasing guns again after nearly 20 years I went ahead and got two Beretta Neos - one 4.5" and one 6". I enjoy shooting them, but even better is they are easy enough to use and the grip is small enough that they are perfect for taking my kids to the range on "Young Guns" night. My son at 13 uses the larger one and is getting to be a good shot, and my 9 year old daughter just put 5 in a row through the bulls eye at 7 yards. Both have been totally dependable. Both my wife and I got Bersa .380's as carry weapons, but that damn ammo is pricey, so I got us both Bersa .22's since it's almost the exact same gun. Now we'll shoot a couple boxes each of the .380's to keep the feel, but then be able to switch over to shooting hundreds of rounds through the .22's to gain proficiency. And the only real difference is the lack of kick - the pistols are on the exact same frame. The only problem I have ever had with either the Beretta's or Bersa's is an occasional dud round. They have all been great to shoot with no mechanical failures.
And they get cleaned EVERY time we use them - they gunk up fast. Both are 10+1, although the Neos is not a carry weapon by any stretch of the imagination. I'd carry the Bersa .22 as a back-up anytime. Obviously they have no "stopping power" but then again, even thugs don't really want to get shot.
I have a Sig Mosquito that I shoot regularly for practice. I really like it for that. I would not carry it for protection. Aside from the caliber issue, I have occasional failures to feed and stove pipes, and want something closer to 100% reliable if -God forbid!- I ever have to use it. My carry gun is a Glock 23, which has never failed to function properly for me. I tried the Advantage Arms .22lr conversion kit on my Glock. It was jamming for one reason or another every few rounds, even with the recommended CCI MiniMags. I tried another conversion kit, as well, and it was just as bad. That's when I decided to go with the Sig instead, and I am really glad I did.
I'm sure it's partly the firearms, but I think it's also the nature of rimfire ammo, especially the bulk stuff. Instead of having a well-defined pocket for the primer, it gets distributed in the rim and with the cheaper stuff the spread is uneven. Amazing variability all around. Not just a matter that the S&W 22A likes something different from the Ruger Mk III - YOUR 22A likes something different from MY 22A etc.
Originally Posted by wahsben
I have a couple of Beretta 948 22lr's. Only had a chance to fire one. It jammed. Then I figured out the top of the mag was tweaked. I tapped it a bit and the gun has worked flawlessly since. It's a great little gun. Super easy to break down and clean, built to last a century, incredibly accurate for a 50+ year old gun. I bought another and can't wait to test it next week.
Another neat 22 I picked up is a Unique 52. French made, it is possibly the sturdiest 22 pistol ever made. Has a nice size grip too, if you have big hands.
I am looking forward to shooting it, haven't had a chance yet.
I have a Ruger Mark 1. The original mag works flawlessly but not so the newly issued "factory" mags. I will probably upgrade the recoil spring to see if it helps.
I have a Magnum Research Mountain Eagle. It's a great shooter but the plastic Ramline mags are scarce and pricey for NOS. I figured out how to repair
the chipped lips on one using epoxy and working very carefully. Nice lightweight pistol and nicely engineered. Sleeker than the similar Exactor models.
Finally I have an original Whitney Wolverine. It looks and works like new, but I bought it as an investment so after cleaning it I stored it in the safe.
I just wish I could have afforded one of the chrome ones. The Holy Grail of 22 pistols.
I just bought a Beretta Mdl 71 in .22 cal
It's 47 years old and never misses a beat.
Even tho I like the new .22's - the old ones are fun too.
Other than racking the slide repeatedly, do you think using graphite lube would make any difference over a period of time. Being very careful not to over do it, using a dremel tool, would do the trick quicker. Being an ex Dental Lab Tech. regular old black board chalk is a good but mild abrasive at a moderately slow speed. This of course would be used on the rails of the slide and receiver slide contact areas. I'm not at the point of doing anything to my Phoenix PA22, just asking members that have one for an opinion.
As far as good solid and fun 22s go I would recommend the ruger sr22.
I bought one a few months ago and it has been great. No ammo tolerance issues like many other 22 semi auto pistols have. It feels nice in my large hands and is a lot of fun.
Easy to disassemble and reassemble.
The only time this weapon has malfunctioned was when it hadn't been cleaned for 500-1000 rnds and I had a friends 8 year old kid shooting it. The kid was holding it with a weak grip and bent arms and was taking too much recoil out so there were frequent FTEs. After I got him to keep his arms straight the probelm went away.
I have fired all of the cheapest types of ammo that I can find through this pistol with no problems and I would recommend it to anyone who wants a super fun plinker 22.
As a note, its design is taken from modern tactical pistols and it looks like a cut down modern pistol, it is not as accurate as a ruger mk1-3 or a other 22s like that.
It is pretty comparable to a walther22 or a sig mosquito, but without the ammo issues.
Unless you're an exceptional markmans, using a .22LR pistol, your target for a head shot, better be no more than 25 yards away, up to point blank. Now with my Winchester model 72 bolt action, 100 year old rifle. I could probably shoot you in the eye at 50-75 yards in the head at 100-125 yards. A chest shot with a 22LR pistol round, just about took Reagan out due to they couldn't find the the lead and the spot of bleeding. Using a .22 rifle, really speeds up the round. If you really had a good place to shoot and practice 25,50,75,100 yards, practicing 3 times a week or so, would really help a lot. Not much reason to go past 50 yards with pistol but you may learn a few things, you didn't know, which would help go from a marginal shooter to a good shooter with your 22LR pistol.
Well Surprise surprise, this man has just what I'm looking for.
I've located one at a local gunshop but it was at the gun smiths.
I'm hoping it will be ready soon. I dread trying to buy one online
and since I'm looking to trade this is about my only chance to get one
in my area.
I have spent a ton of time reading reviews and watching amateur videos about them.
Most by young guys with little experience with firearms.
I did find a couple that seemed to know what to look for in a gun.
Anyway most of the folks really liked theirs so I'm looking forward to getting my own.
I'm cutting way back on the big bore stuff, it is just too expensive on a SS pension,
Still have a couple that handle 38 / 357, & 44Spl. for serious shooting.
But I'm mostly shooting 22LR for fun and to keep my eye in.
And I want a fun to shoot and easy to carry little gun.
Any comments or recommendations about the Phoenix are appreciated.
Get R Done! LOL
[QUOTE=Crusty;224633]I bought a Firestorm (Bersa) 22lr about two months ago, have nearly 1000 rounds thru it with just a few fail to fire's. All but one of those fired on the next try. Great little gun![/QUOTE
I had a Bersa 380 before they started calling them "Thunder" or any other fancy names.
It is a Walther PPK Clone. Bersa made them for the war effort in the 1940's with the original blueprints.
And were later able to put their own name on them. I bought it for my wife but she is mechanically challenged and likes my snubbie so I traded it to my brother. It was a very good operating gun and very well built, I was amazed at the fit and finish. The double action pull is pretty heavy but pretty smooth
single action was quite good with very little creep and broke crisply. Main reason I traded it is I've been removing guns that require me to buy another caliber ammo. Sticking to 38 /357 for serious with a backup gun in 44 spl. I want the little Phoenix as a plinker first and as a pocket mouse last.
I'm very fortunate that I can walk out my front door to my picnic table and bang away to my hearts desire.
Usually have invited my neighbor and my Bro and maybe his buddy will tag along.
Then the rest of the neighbors crawl into their bunkers be cause it starts to sound like a war zone, or at least an active shooting range. LOL Don't have to worry about the law because everyone else around here shoots too. Gets a bit noisy at times.
The upshot of Gabby's ramble is that Bersa makes a good firearm and you should get great service from it after you find which ammo it likes best. I never had any trouble with the 380 but didn't shoot it a whole lot do to expensive ammo.
I hope this helps.
Almost any licensed dealer will order one for you. Here in Oregon we can order one from the internet and have it deilvered to the dealer for a handling fee and background check fee, I just don't wabt to go that route since I'm often doing a trade.
Originally Posted by JTEX53
Regarding cheap Phoenix Arms pistols.
Here is an auction where you can pick one up for $115 plus shipping and ETC.
Phoenix Arms HP-22 Nickel 10-Shot 22LR Pistol 3" : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com
Nope I don't work for them, just thought I'd pass it along.
I've got the Browning URX Contour. I got the one with the 7.25" barrel because I liked the additional weight. Open sights at 10 yards is child's play netting bullseyes; you can do it all day long. It took some time to become fairly accurate at 25 yards, at least for me, anyways. By fairly accurate I mean I can land the rounds, open sights (with my eyes, no less lol) in a 6" diameter circle. For me, at that range, it's good. Eventually I'll get better. I love the thing. I can shoot it all day long and it costs me more in gas to get to the range than it does to fire it. I might put a sscope or something on it at a later date, but I'm having too much fun with it now.
I have a Colt Service Ace, bought it about 30 years ago new, I love that weapon. It's so fun to shoot. Have run lots of different ammo through it, and can only remember a couple times in all these years when the slide didn't lock back on the last shot. The action is so fast it feels like it goes full auto, it doesn't of course, but it sure is fun to blow up a bunch of rounds at a can really fast.
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