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    Quote Originally Posted by wahsben View Post
    Unfortunatly 22's seem to be some of the fussiest of firearms when it comes to ammo.
    They are also a pain in the butt to clean.

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    Love 22lr

    I love .22's. For years my standard weekly stress relief was Saturday morning at the range chewing through 200-300 rds of the stuff at 25 yards.

    I've taught 5 kids, a wife (now 'ex'), and a girlfriend to shoot using a S&W 422 (6.5") and an old Ruger 10/22 that actually belonged to my grandfather. My lady's 7 yr old daughter will sit for hours with the old Chipmunk, single-shot, bolt-action .22lr.

    The first post was a great primer for sorting out issues and getting down to the fun & learning. Some other things I've run into are:

    - Ammo can change dramatically from lot to lot for .22LR. Doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with other calibers of factory stuff but 22 can vary quite a bit. Worst offender (in my experience): Federal.
    - Clean that gun! Because most 22 semi-auto's are recoil-operated powder residue gets everywhere, This can be a real pain in the posterior. It is the most common cause (again, IME) of failure to feed and stovepipe jams. This means cleaning up the action too, not just the barrel.

    Of course, the single-shot and the wheel guns avoid the feed issue altogether. My ex has an old Hi-Standard 9-shot wheel gun she inherited from her dad and it eats just about any ammo in the correct caliber.

    With 3 kids currently in the house and the "let's go shooting" being one of the most popular outings (two teenage boys and that 7yr-old girl, go figure...) it also makes for a much more affordable day. I tend to stock anywhere from 1000-2000 at the house, which sounds like a lot but is really only 4-6 days at the range for the gang.

    Since trigger squeeze, sight picture, breath control, etc. are all the same for the .22 as they are for the Super Blackhawk or Desert Eagle it is my favorite way to practice and build skill. I usually save the .44 Mag and the .45ACP to wrap up the day with so I carry the built-up skills into the recoil experience that you don't get with the .22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2400 View Post
    Advice for 22 owners, this also works for other guns.

    After you buy your 22 and take it home. Read the manual and then field strip, clean and lube it. Learn how to clean your gun, not just run a patch down the barrel.

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    how do you properly clean a gun then? any recommendations on cleaning kits to buy?

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    Not trying to pick, but seriously dude? Read the manual and just......clean it. Any where there is gunk, (in the case of a new gun look for oil and wipe down everything) oil, grease, etc.

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    Just wanted to say a good word in this thread about the Phoenix Arms .22 autos. It's a value product. For $150 range including good factory support, you get a decent gun. Here are a couple pics of mine and a couple video links...





    Phoenix Arms HP22A .22 LR Pistol Review

    YouTube - No more problem with my Phoenix arms hp .22....part2

    YouTube - Peter and his Phoenix Arms .22

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    Besides the Rugers & Browning Buckmark, that cheap little Phoenix [$120. with 2 mags]have been the only reliable .22lr handguns I've ever found to be 99% reliable... including revolvers.

    Doesn't make sense.

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    I had to do some light filing/sanding on all the internal friction points relating to the action of the slide after about 150 rounds through my new Phoenix .22 (the one in the pic) as it had seized up pretty bad. But after doing that, and racking the slide a hundred times while lubing it generously, it seems good. The 100 rounds I've shot through it since doing that were problem-free. I know that's no extended field test but it's what I have to report so far. I've read a few opinions/reports from Phoenix-owners on the net and they seem generally more positive than for other bargain guns. My feeling is that if you're willing to break it down and spruce up the internals, it can be decent though it's not meant to be a multi-thousands-of-rounds range gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    Besides the Rugers & Browning Buckmark, that cheap little Phoenix [$120. with 2 mags]have been the only reliable .22lr handguns I've ever found to be 99% reliable... including revolvers.

    Doesn't make sense.
    I bought a used phoenix range kit after a friend of mine loaned me his to shoot. I had so much fun shooting it I had to get one. I could not believe how well his lil pistol shot. No jams or misfires at all.

    I found a used Range kit which comes with the extra 5 inch barrel you can swap with the 3 inch barreled gun for $140.
    I didn't think i was taking much of a chance with it at that price.

    Just like my friends the gun shot any bulk ammo I put in it with no malfunctions. Fits in your pocket which you can't say of the Marks. Seems like there are a few of us with these cheap lil reliable accurate guns.



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    Good advice there. Learn your weapon thoroughly before loading up! Nothing like having the guy next to you at the range holding up his buddy's fully stoked Glock and asking politely if you know where the safety is! My two cents worth on pocket carry .22. The Beretta 21 is a sweet little shooter once you get the ammo figured out, and it is surprisingly accurate. Would I carry it for self defense. Only if I had to. Likewise the S@W 317 is a great little .22 with some extra capacity for a revolver, but, its still your basic J snubby, and I prefer my snubs in snag resistant internal or shrouded hammer form and .38+P. Now, if S@W were to come out with a "hammerless" .22 mag. revolver in the 442/642 configuration, and made it strong enough for 8 or 9 of those hotter new "varmint" loads, well, I might carry one on occasion. Or, I could be really nutso, buy a nice new 351PD 7-shooter .22 mag. for $800 plus, then pay my gunsmith to bob the hammer! NOT! Seriously, I love the double deuce and if you can place your shots under pressure more power to you. I know of at least one LEO who swears by them as a backup/going to the store piece.

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    If you were a perp, sure would ruin you day getting shot in the eye from a .22 plinker
    JT

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    True Dat !


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    I bought a Firestorm (Bersa) 22lr about two months ago, have nearly 1000 rounds thru it with just a few fail to fire's. All but one of those fired on the next try. Great little gun!

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    Can't find a retailer that carries the Phoenix 22LR pistol

    Every since I've read some articles on the Phoenix 22LR pistol,out of curiosity, I've been looking around trying to locate a retailer, so I could hold one and check it out. I've still not found one or anyone that carries this pistol. Any major retailer carry this pistol? I know Academy doesn't. I'm sure not going to order one unless I can check it out first. Also will this pistol accept HP ammo? Thanks!
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    Phoenix: "I've been looking around trying to locate a retailer, so I could hold one and check it out. I've still not found one or anyone that carries this pistol."

    FWIW, I got mine at a gun show... I've seen them around at the big shows... There's a "cheap handgun" seller at most bigger shows.

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    I've put about 1000 rounds through my Walther P22. I have put several brands through it including Remington, Winchester, CCI, American Eagle, and even some old Mohawks I had lying around. All fed fine with no jams or problems of any sort. With what I've seen so far, Walther is the finest 22LR handgun I have ever shot or owned. It isn't fussy about which brand name of round I put through it and is very accurate, even when dirty.

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    I love my Phoenix HP22. Bought it brand new back in 2001. I figure I've put around 3000 rounds through it. I've only had FTF and FTE with Winchester XP (non-jacketed hollowpoint). CCI, Fiocchi, Remington, and Winchester 333/555 are issue free.

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    I used to have a Sig Misquito...I sold it because it was junk. I'll probly never buy another .22 semi auto pistol, but if I do, it won't be a sig. When you take it apart, it is awkward and just seems to be a bad design. Yes I tried all kinds of different ammo, I keep it properly cleaned and lubed. It was just a malfunctioning piece of junk. Maybe I just got a lemon, or maybe this design is just junk. My brother has a Walter .22 he bought his wife and he loves it, says never any problems with it.

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    I just bought a browning buckmark plus stainless steel UDX and I must say IT IS AN EXCELLENT GUN!! This thing is a tackdriver. I might think about a scope in the future but I think I like it just the way it is. I tried to shoot the remington golden hollow points and it jammed about 3 to 4 time per magazine. Got some winchester wildcats and they feed fine butt the group was not tight. Bought some federal match grade, 325 per box, at walmart and the groups were tight!! Im going to try the more expensive stuff soon and see if I get the same results.

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    I only use cci minimags and have NEVER been disappointed

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