I"m not a collector and as now only own one gun Glock23.(I've of course owned other guns but not as of now, no more then two at a time and no long weapons) I'm at a loss, i spent 550 bucks on my piece and truly never have liked it. Grip was funny. The sights I've never like. No safety and it's kinda ugly.
Why would you buy it then?
Cause i knew it was gonna work, no matter what! Also needed something concealable. Function over form any day I'd drive a Geo Metro if it never broke down. Thats how I am.
I'm inconsistent with the gun but it's more accurate then I am. My brother out shot me at a range expedition. Literally the second time he held a gun in his life he out did me. I'll get to the point.Regardless I'm gonna get me another pistol but not another $500 piece.
My point is should i make the Glock the gun I always wanted by modding it? What are your experiences with modding anything?(especially want to hear feed back from the Glock guys, aftermarket brands; etc.) My biggest fear is I get it modded and it messes with it's drop dead reliability which is unacceptable, period. I consider my Glock my combat piece (no I'm not military or L.E.) since i put my life in it's hand. Funny since it's in my hands.
There's local shops that do gun smithing but I don't trust them. And i shore as hell don't trust my self. I live in Central Florida so if your a local with experience point me towards reputable places, peoples name's.
If you read this essay length thread completely i have to thank you for hearing me out.
Please guys help.
What exactly are you planning to do with your Glock?
If the grip angle is bad for you there is no real mod that can fix that. There are a lot of guns that are just as reliable as the Glock with grip angles that may work better for you. I have always wanted a Glock but I just don't shoot them well due to the grip angle. You may need to rent or go shooting with someone with an asortment of guns to find what works best for you. The proper angle, fit, and feel is 75% of the battle IMHO.
Well first off spending double for some custom do hicky isn't the type of guy I am. I'm a budget guy.
My biggest mod would be a connector and a front sight. I've shot other Glocks and their trigger pull dose feel lighter then my stock one. Engagement seems fine but the initial pull seems excessive.
I had a chance to pick up a G20 and shoot a Glock 17 at the range in both cases the pull was smoother. The guy who's Glock 17 I shot said that my trigger seemed heavier then his gun and i agreed. (I always shoot someone else's gun in exchange for them shooting mine, I love doing that) I might possibly have a Miami trigger.
My Glock has no problems mechanical and me replacing the Glock isn't that feasible. The old saying "once you drive it off the lot".
As of right now i can't afford to trade in the Glock and get something different or get that back up piece i mentioned. $10 dollar connector ten bucks i got, 100 to 200 for the an exchange. Nope! I don't have hundred two hundred to blow. As i said I own one gun.
And who knows my next gun cold mess up. Hell i could get another Glock and it could mess up in truth.
Glock factory mods. Completion trigger, maybe a stock 5.5 see if it's the gun or my imagination. Also the tritium front sight, I'm cheap not even the whole set. I own a hand me down holster and a five dollar flea market laser that puts the bullets where it's sighted to. No need for some 300 dollar crimson trace.
My requirements for my gun were .40cal; not much shorter then a 4inch barrel; compact for concealment and under $600. Truth is price and availability is a factor. Someone tells me X brand at X price but if I can't obtain it locally then it's simply a pipe dream.
Next piece is defiantly gonna have a manual safety and not one of these DAO crap.
Last edited by fattsgalore; 01-24-2007 at 03:27 PM.
My Glock 35 model has a 3.5lb. connector, NY1 spring and Trijicon night sights. I recommend to switch out some of the stock parts and customize to your preference. The trigger pull is excellent and sights are great.
You mentioned you are uncomfortable holding your Glock 23; if it's a 3rd generation why not sand in the finger grooves OR slip in a hogue grip? They are pretty inexpensive and maybe what you're looking for.
I agree with Maximo on the Glock
I think Glock is one of the best made guns but if you can't shoot it it's not worth crap. I find the grip angle is wrong for me ..... i guess that's from shooting a colt 1911 for 30 years
Sell your Glock, and buy a Walther P99 A/S in 9mm. Watch your IQ go up 50 points. Take a week off on vacation.
Everything will be all good
Last edited by Shipwreck; 01-24-2007 at 05:44 PM.
I'll be real with you shipwreck I wanted a P99 in .40cal over what i got.
(9mm is good but i like my defense pistols to have bite). Availability; price; and after market hindered that. If the P99 held 13 or more I'd consider getting one especially at the $398 sticker price i saw.(Every gun at that price has probably already been scoped up)
I trust Glock more and wouldn't trade it for a Walther. I've handled the P99. Magazine release at times seems genius and super easy(they should make with a large width, left to right) to use other times i had to literally use my other hand or break proper grip.
If you remember you told me about the P99 clone in .45.
I've since then read a article. Not as aesthetically pleasing as the others. The design wasn't built with large caliber in mind. Walther should make one anyway. And make it 10+1.
If your issues are with the grip size and form, look into this. Its pricey but their work is awesome and I've never heard a complaint: http://www.robarguns.com/glock.htm
Or you can try regular old sandpaper.
As Glockamania stated, there are some aftermarket grip "modifiers" also:
Peel and stick decal grips in sand or rubber: http://decalgrip.com/sys-tmpl/door/
Felt-type wrap w/ good grip qualities and very concealable: http://www.brookstactical.com/Pages/fitlist.html
Slip-on rubber: http://www.getgrip.com/main/overview/handall.html
Or you can cut your own w/ 3M Tread Tape.
For sights, try
Fiber optic and Tritium: http://www.truglo.com/content/prod_h...iber_optic.asp
on the trigger, make sure you have the stock 5.5# trigger (the trigger pull weight is listed on the plastic storage box). If you don't have the 5.5# stock trigger, then you have one of the heavier NY triggers. Get the 5.5# and get used to the difference. If it's still unacceptable try this cheap, easy and very effective trigger job: http://www.alpharubicon.com/mrpoyz/glock/
Or you can replace your connector w/ the 3.5# one and/or the NY trigger spring(s) for a "lighter" pull and faster reset.
Honestly, if your main concern is reliability and value, you have done well with your G23. There are several mods out there for the GLOCK platform but, personally, you bought the GLOCK because it IS a GLOCK. The reliability is arguably unbeatable. Get some rounds downrange before you dismiss the gun altogether. Try the grip enhancers (the 3M Tread Tape and DecalGrips are the cheapest) and research for a cheap front sight (Sportsman's Warehouse). Do the cheapo trigger job and I think you'll be happy.
Also, try searching www.GlockTalk.com. There's a lot of good info there.
Last edited by PP914; 01-24-2007 at 06:47 PM.
Would you ban me if I told you I did the opposite?
Originally Posted by Shipwreck
to the OP:
I'd try the trigger mod and spend a whole lot more time at the range. You can get used to the grip angle....the trigger.....everything. Just shoot as much as you can afford to. More ammo is the best mod for your money IMO.
From what you're the pistol doesn't fit you. Instead of spending the money on modifying the pistol and still being dissatisfied with it, you could try to sell it. It'll require some patience but I see it as the best solution to your problem.
I also carry a G23. When I get another gun for CCW I will probably modify my G23 for range and eventually competition. I plan on reducing the trigger to 3.5 lb. and changing the .40 to a 9mm. I’ve already done the .25 trigger job on it. I will also change sites from my factory second generation to ??? I don’t know which one yet.
Do a little at a time and learn to do it your self if you can. The more we work with or guns to better we can handle any situations that may arise.
If i had a choice in sights.(I do but I'm not forking out 70 to 80 bucks) I'd go with Novak sights or Novak style.(which are more then 70 80 bucks) They seem very user friendly. I'll be changing front sight only since normal shooting practice is using my front sight only. Glock factory tritium. I like the factory front sight since it has the Glock insignia on top the sight.
Bargain shoppers unite.
PS Been working on the Doug Lathem( I'm probably not spelling that right) thumbs forward grip. It's not a natural grip but I grip the gun better(both hands molest the frame) and get slightly better sight picture. Only range time will tell if it helps.
Last edited by fattsgalore; 01-26-2007 at 12:14 AM.
I suggest you buy a new connector (I like the 3.5 lb. competition connector)and get some red, hi viz green orange paint for your front sight. Cost - about $15.
I have never understood the point about grip angle. If the gun points differently, aim differently. Get used to the gun and this should not be an issue.
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