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      That AD Discharge Thread is...

      That Accidental Discharge thread is a jinx - I'm not posting on it

      Don't ever want one

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      Good luck

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
      That Accidental Discharge thread is a jinx - I'm not posting on it

      Don't ever want one
      Where's your sense of adventure?

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      So, you want to tell us about it?

      What happened on the range to you today?



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      Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
      So, you want to tell us about it?

      What happened on the range to you today?



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      No, nothing... Nadda.... Nothing happened at the range today...

      I'm just saying - U guys are gonna jinx yourself

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      I'm starting to get nervous! It's the strangest thing... whatever seems to be a topic here for some reason instantly becomes a topic at work with customers which is why I think I have the URL to the site tattooed on my forehead and just haven't noticed yet. Within 24 hours this almost always prooves true. Same with that AD thread! Since it started, every day since, I've had at least two customers tell me AD stories about them or friends or something they heard. I'm getting nervous!

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      No such thing as an "accidental discharge", negligent discharge yes, accidental no.

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      worthwhile accessory

      Kevlar pistol case for ALL administrative handling in quarters.

      http://www.safedirection.com/

      If you do have an accident (or a "negligent"), make sure it is only embarrassing, not fatal.

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      Quote Originally Posted by milquetoast View Post
      Kevlar pistol case for ALL administrative handling in quarters.

      http://www.safedirection.com/

      If you do have an accident (or a "negligent"), make sure it is only embarrassing, not fatal.
      That is kinda kewl

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      Quote Originally Posted by milquetoast View Post
      Kevlar pistol case for ALL administrative handling in quarters.

      http://www.safedirection.com/

      If you do have an accident (or a "negligent"), make sure it is only embarrassing, not fatal.
      The reason I say there is no such thing as an A.D. is I was taught from the very beginning of firearms training at 5 years old there are only 2 ways to fire a weapon, Aim and pull the trigger(intentional) and "someone" doing "something" they should "not be doing" whether it is from inexperience or lack of IQ.(negligence).and even something as silly as dropping a loaded,cocked firearm is not an "accident" it is negligent BECAUSE I/YOU/THEY dropped a weapon that was loaded and cocked.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
      The reason I say there is no such thing as an A.D. is I was taught from the very beginning of firearms training at 5 years old there are only 2 ways to fire a weapon, Aim and pull the trigger(intentional) and "someone" doing "something" they should "not be doing" whether it is from inexperience or lack of IQ.(negligence).and even something as silly as dropping a loaded,cocked firearm is not an "accident" it is negligent BECAUSE I/YOU/THEY dropped a weapon that was loaded and cocked.
      I'd agree: guns just don't go off by themselves. Except that South American Vektor pistol a few years ago.

      Having said that, the odds are that if you mess with enough guns long enough, you'll have one. People are simply not infallable. The good thing about gun safety is that its redundant. If you screw up in one area, hopefully you're ok in another. IE, the gun was pointed at something you didn't mind blowing a hole in.

      Here's an interesting thought for you: the legal definition of "negligence" is the failure to act as an ordinary, prudent person would have done under the same or similar circumstances.

      My question: is a person with no firearms training whatsoever with a gun held to the same standard as a person who has been trained? When is one category that has an AD negligent and the other not? Or are they?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spenser View Post
      My question: is a person with no firearms training whatsoever with a gun held to the same standard as a person who has been trained?

      Absolutely and maybe more so. The person w/ no training has neglected to train and learn the correct handling of firearms.

      And, as Scooter said, all "mistakes" are negligent (IE: failing to perceive a sustantial risk.)

      That being said, it happens to the best of us. Not that this makes it okay, but it happens.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spenser View Post
      My question: is a person with no firearms training whatsoever with a gun held to the same standard as a person who has been trained? When is one category that has an AD negligent and the other not? Or are they?
      ABSOLUTELY!
      Would you just hop into the cockpit of a 747 without any training, crash it and NOT expect to be held liable for it, NO DIFFERENCE between that and picking up a gun, or driving a truck,or building a thermo-nuclear weapon without the proper (or adequate) training.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
      and even something as silly as dropping a loaded,cocked firearm is not an "accident" it is negligent BECAUSE I/YOU/THEY dropped a weapon that was loaded and cocked.
      I have to disagree with you on that one. A firearm should not fire unless the trigger is depressed. Therefore it would be the faulty condition of the firearm that is at fault.

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      Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
      The reason I say there is no such thing as an A.D. is I was taught from the very beginning of firearms training at 5 years old there are only 2 ways to fire a weapon, Aim and pull the trigger(intentional) and "someone" doing "something" they should "not be doing" whether it is from inexperience or lack of IQ.(negligence).and even something as silly as dropping a loaded,cocked firearm is not an "accident" it is negligent BECAUSE I/YOU/THEY dropped a weapon that was loaded and cocked.
      I guess that if we are going to stand behind the position that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then we also have to step up and take responsibility for our "accidents."

      I really do prefer the term negligent discharge to accidental. It makes us take responsibility for our actions.

      And it doesn't feed the irrational fear that guns kill people all by themselves.

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      Revolver has an arguable point I think, but I can't see absolving all those with ND's involving firearms before drop-safety's were standard.

      It always bugs me when I hear someone mention that "a gun went off". Same thing with "gun violence." The gun was fired, and it was the individual, not the gun that was violent. Personal responsibility seems to be passe these days.

      I wonder if we'll soon start hearing about all of these "cars that keep crashing into one another" on our highways.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Revolver View Post
      I have to disagree with you on that one. A firearm should not fire unless the trigger is depressed. Therefore it would be the faulty condition of the firearm that is at fault.
      Ever dropped a cocked older SA revolver? My grandad did once,,,,,ONCE

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      Why do ya believe in all that superstitious nonsense? Cant even shoot a raccoon without worrying about "karma".

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