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  1. #141
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    Temper the following comments with your own experience on which gun YOU, not some anonymous guy on the internet, shoot best.


    M&P

    The M&P has a magazine disconnect safety (optional delete on LE special order). I prefer a weapon without this feature. I do understand that it can be a life-saving safety feature. Some folks drop the magazine, and think that the gun is safe without checking the chamber. This is using a mechanical device to correct a training issue. There are also some who like a magazine safety for police work, in the theory that if an officer is about to lose his weapon in a struggle, he can drop the magazine, buying a bit of time to reach for his backup gun. Early production had a number of unexpected magazine drops, avoid used.

    One feature I do like is that you don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble as the M&P comes with a sear release. But the texture of the grip rubber is a little too neutral for my tastes (ie. sweat, mud, oil would reduce firmness of grip contact).

    DAO, heavier trigger, but restrike capable.

    Glock

    Great 3rd party support
    Fairly soft shooting
    Blocky grip, finger grooves spread fingers, not for small hands
    Disconnector allows Glocks to fire out of battery
    Unsupported chamber
    Thin/weak chamber walls > 9mm (.40 use a bored out 9mm barrel, removal of material makes thinner chamber walls)
    Do not use +P in a Glock per Glock's advisory on kB!

    XD

    2 Nice features:
    Fully supported chamber
    All billet internals

    Grip not adjustable for size like M&P, but has no Glocky finger grooves. Grip safety redundant to split trigger. Higher bore axis than Glock. I like that Subcompacts come with a short (10rd in 9mm) mag and an extended mag (16rd in 9mm) with grip extension for the best flexibility of all 3 in concealed carry;.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djnevoc View Post
    I fly the OH-58D and I have flown with the Right/Left Serpa Lvl 2 Drop Leg Holsters
    If you are a Kiowa driver, as you claim, then you already know a drop leg holster will interfere with the collective control.

    Quote Originally Posted by djnevoc View Post
    The Glock has a small hole at the bottom of the grip for a tactical restraint strap. (Incase it falls out of your holster in a fire fight.)
    "tactical restraint strap"??? Its called a "lanyard."

    tactical restraints are flexcuffs

    Sounds like you are planning to go to Iraq and flexcuff Haji to your G21.

    Quote Originally Posted by djnevoc View Post
    I plan on taking my G21 to Iraq when I head over and I want zero excuses for not getting rounds down range if I need them.
    Bringing non-issue weapons in theater is contraband under UCMJ. Period.

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    The M&P has a magazine disconnect safety (optional delete on LE special order).
    i may be misunderstanding here but...

    its not difficult to find the M&P without the mag safety,most ive came across did not have it,or the internal lock.

    mine has neither,im not LEO nor did i need to "special order".

    again,not sure if im reading you right though.

    also...

    DAO, heavier trigger, but restrike capable.
    still talking M&P here?

    heavier than what?ive found the weight to be very similar to a Glock(although i prefer the Glock reset out of the box).

    the M&P doesnt have a re-strike feature either.

    although i dont feel im missing anything,as i see it as a useless feature.if i have a round fail,i clear it.

    Do not use +P in a Glock per Glock's advisory on kB!
    ive been shooting +P in Glocks for over a decade without issue...never even heard that one before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    i its not difficult to find the M&P without the mag safety,most ive came across did not have it,or the internal lock. mine has neither,im not LEO nor did i need to "special order".
    Circled in red below:



    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    still talking M&P here? heavier than what?ive found the weight to be very similar to a Glock(although i prefer the Glock reset out of the box).
    Trigger pulls

    M&P 6.5 lbs
    Glock 5.5 lbs
    XD 5.5 lbs

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    the M&P doesnt have a re-strike feature either.
    All DAOs except revolvers restrike

  5. #145
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    ok,yeah the mag disconnect is an option.know very few who have excercised that option though.

    Trigger pulls

    M&P 6.5 lbs
    Glock 5.5 lbs
    XD 5.5 lbs
    well,a pound is barely noticable if at all(for me anyway).i also did a trigger job on my M&P which lightened things a bit(although the goal was simply improving the reset).

    All DAOs except revolvers restrike
    if they have a hammer,rather than a striker.

    again,maybe im misunderstanding...

    "restrike" as in if the round fails to fire you simply pull the trigger again for a second chance at it?

    because the M&P does not...at least not while dry firing(havent actually had a primer fail,and if i did it would have simply been cleared)).

    i was under the impression the Glock was technically a DAO in the same way as the M&P as well....in that the last little bit of the striker being cocked is done with the trigger pull...not at all like whats typically thought of as a DAO.

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    Example 1

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    its not difficult to find the M&P without the mag safety,most ive came across did not have it,or the internal lock. mine has neither,im not LEO nor did i need to "special order".
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    ok,yeah the mag disconnect is an option.know very few who have excercised that option though.
    Example 2

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    heavier than what?ive found the weight to be very similar to a Glock
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    i also did a trigger job on my M&P which lightened things a bit
    Example 3

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    i was under the impression the Glock was technically a DAO in the same way as the M&P as well....in that the last little bit of the striker being cocked is done with the trigger pull...not at all like whats typically thought of as a DAO.
    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    ive been shooting Glocks for over a decade
    Your credibility is in question.

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    funny,im begining to think the same of you.

    how about answering the points i made?the M&P(and other striker fired pistols which are technically DA) do not have restrike.

    ive never been inside the Glock while firing it.whether the striker is fully cocked before activating the trigger(which would make it a SA),or whether a small ammount of the cocking of the striker is done during the trigger pull(which would make it DA)...isnt something i could ever see while firing thousands of rounds through them over 10~ years.

    although if im not mistaken the Glock is indeed DAO and it doesnt have restrike either...going back to the actual topic here.

    now that you've edited to add more examples i'll answer them as well...

    example 1:
    im pretty sure that was a simple misunderstanding(which i said it may be in my original post ...twice).i thought you were saying that the mag disconnect was the norm and you needed to special order to get one without...so taken in context(too much to ask?) my comments make perfect sense.

    example 2:you gotta do better than that...i found the trigger weight to be very similar before doing the trigger job on my M&P.ntm i think 1 pound could easily be considered "very similar".

    example 3:already addressed.

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    I checked and M&P is not a true DAO. Slide partially cocks trigger. Therefore no restrike. Corrected.

    Similar to "Glock Safe Action", where the slide only half-cocks the firing mechanism, and the trigger fully-cocks and releases it, and then the slide-action (recoil) re-half-cocks it (used in Glocks, S&W Sigma, etc.). XD's USA trigger is single action since slide fully cocks action.

    True DA all cocking done by trigger. Restrike dependent on a true DA capable trigger. Striker Fired Pistols with restrike:

    Walther P99 AS
    Walther P99 DAO
    SW99
    Taurus 7/24 (OSS)

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ
    you were saying that the mag disconnect was the norm
    Yes it is. Just as circled. Mag disconnect is only optional for LE. Street availability may be relaxed now, but that was the original position for M&P sales as indicated in brochure. On slide right below the ejection port it will say "Warning: Capable of Firing Without Magazine" if you do not have this feature.

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    heckler & Koch is better than all those. The German quality is the ultimate. Even the US forces uses it.

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    handled & shot all 3?

    i wonder of all the post given, the percentage of people that have put in there hand al 3 of the pistols listed and shot with them as well, because i can tell you that before i handled the m&p ,i owned the other 2,and i was already dogging the m&p out ,untill one day when i was the gun store, and the fellow put a m&p 45 in my hand i was sold, i mean the ergonomics ,comfort ,and feel of the pistol is second to none, just my opinion ,but smith & wesson got it right on this one, and to tell you the truth before my m&p pistols, i 've never owned a smith &wesson...i always thought they were to high on price, but go figure...

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    I own an XD40, love it, but it took some tinkering to get the trigger to where I wanted. That said, it's very easy to find XD parts and accessories, so I'm not sure that's really a Glock 'advantage' anymore.

    I've put in a new guide rod, a magwell, thumbrest, trigger kit, trigger and sear springs, and nightsights. Helps that most SIG sites are compatible with XD. All were easy to install, and easy to get, with the exception of the sites which took the gunsmith FOREVER to get too...

    I've shot Glock and it's a fine pistiol, but it felt like junk in my hand. I blame my hand over the pistol, since that grip obviously works for a lot of folks. I've looked into an M&P compact, and I'm intrigued by them, but all of the reports of folks using them in competitions and having magazines fall out mid-fire has turned me off. I'm sure I'll get around to putting some lead downrange iwth an M&P someday, but for right now, I got a new 1911 to play with :-D

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    i wonder of all the post given, the percentage of people that have put in there hand al 3 of the pistols listed and shot with them as well, because i can tell you that before i handled the m&p ,i owned the other 2,and i was already dogging the m&p out ,untill one day when i was the gun store, and the fellow put a m&p 45 in my hand i was sold, i mean the ergonomics ,comfort ,and feel of the pistol is second to none, just my opinion ,but smith & wesson got it right on this one, and to tell you the truth before my m&p pistols, i 've never owned a smith &wesson...i always thought they were to high on price, but go figure...
    agreed...

    as mentioned ive never fired the XD but i have held/foundled them on several occasions...shot Glocks for many years...

    when i decided to get a new pistol it came down to the M&P,XD,and another Glock....the feel/ergo's of the M&P are far better than either imo.

    the M&P pistol is the only S&W i own and its the only one i have any interest in owning...but its one of my favorite guns ive ever owned.if i ever buy another polymer/striker it would be another M&P(of those available today anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ View Post
    agreed...

    as mentioned ive never fired the XD but i have held/foundled them on several occasions...shot Glocks for many years...

    when i decided to get a new pistol it came down to the M&P,XD,and another Glock....the feel/ergo's of the M&P are far better than either imo.

    the M&P pistol is the only S&W i own and its the only one i have any interest in owning...but its one of my favorite guns ive ever owned.if i ever buy another polymer/striker it would be another M&P(of those available today anyway).
    Check this one out. The MP 9 Pro will be my next range pistol.
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore..._ProSeries.pdf

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    ok let see i own all 3 guns
    glock 19
    m&p 9
    xd45

    but my carry gun is the m&p 9 i like the size and fill and the accuracy

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    I have shot all these guns except the XD but out of the Glock and M&P i would go with the the M&P no contest

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    I've got a Glock 27 and a M&P9c. I love them both. If I had to pick one it would be the Glock. For me it's better for CCW...slightly more compact, slightly lighter weight. The M&P is more ergonomic to hold but is no more comfortable to fire than the Glock. Virtually the same recoil and accuracy for both. I've never fired a XD so I can't comment except that I'm not a fan of the grip safety.

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    Taurus.

    Why cuz they are the least expensive and deliver.

    Period.

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    I fired the G17, G19, and M&P prior to making my first handgun purchase. About 50 rounds in each. I know that's not a lot, but its better than buying just on word of mouth. I bought the G19. Have now fired several hundred rounds through it and believe its the best choice for me. Of course my Sunday School teacher who owns a Sig, has a different opinion.

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    None of the above, having personally selling off 2 XD's, they are great guns for their price ranges, but I think that it's worth the extra 200.00 or 300.00 more for an H&K or a Sig, all three of the guns in the poll are all under 500.00 dollar guns and are all reliable, although I like the XD best of these choices, but once you start driving a mercedes, one can't go back to driving a toyota...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasward00 View Post
    None of the above, having personally selling off 2 XD's, they are great guns for their price ranges, but I think that it's worth the extra 200.00 or 300.00 more for an H&K or a Sig, all three of the guns in the poll are all under 500.00 dollar guns and are all reliable, although I like the XD best of these choices, but once you start driving a mercedes, one can't go back to driving a toyota...
    Except of the Mercedes gives you a rash with the leather seats in the heat.

    Example: my HK P30 is a fine gun, I love it. However, the grip is abrasive and in the FL summer I do not wear 2 shirts (one between the gun and my skin). So I got a G19. Reasonably priced, reliable, best corrosion resistance on the market, good trigger that is easy to use and get quick followup shots.

    Can't ask for more.

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