Okay ya all. Let's keep this clean. No eye poking, groin kicking :smt062:numbchuck: or shooting allowed.:smt071 No, "I'm right and you're a moron!" comments.:smt062 :smt097This is to learn and that's why I am posting this. kiss, kiss, hug, hug :heart:
I've been thinking hard about what caliber I want for my next CCW. I want a smaller gun than my G23 and have been looking at the Kel-Tec PF-9 but its had so many problem I've pretty much eliminated it. Next would be the P-11 (9mm) or P3-AT (.380).
So I did a little research and this is what I found. I used the same round for comparison. Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
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TKO=Taylor Index
Penetration= Four plastic jugs filled with water.
TKO value = [ Weight (gr) x Terminal Velocity (fps) x caliber (in) ] ÷ 7000 (higher the better)
Firearm: Browning Hi-Power
Barrel Length: 4.75"
Caliber: 9MM Luger
Bullet Diameter: 0.355"
Bullet Weight: 124 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 1117 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.635"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 120.5 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 15"
TKO: 7.51
Firearm: Beretta 84F
Barrel Length: 3.5"
Caliber: .380 ACP
Bullet Diameter: 0.355"
Bullet Weight: 90 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 1030 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.572"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 89.8 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 13"
TKO: 5.032
Firearm: Kimber CPD
Barrel Length: 3.0"
Caliber: .45 ACP
Bullet Diameter: 0.451"
Bullet Weight: 165 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 934 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.717"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 160.0 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 14"
TKO: 6.428
As you can see the 9mm has a better TKO than a .45 which I'm sure I'll hear about from you .45 hard heads. The .380 is not much under the .45 basically because of velocity. I understand the the barrel length will affect velocity and that shot placement is key. I've tried to take (placement) that factor out.
http://www.stevespages.com/page8f.htm
Okay ya all. Chop away. I'm a man. I can take it. Just don't hurt my feelings because I'm a sensitive 21st century man. :smt089
Take a breath Shipwreck. It'll be okay. We're all adults here and we've been very good about keeping things civil here. That is why I'm here.
I've been thinking hard about what caliber I want for my next CCW. I want a smaller gun than my G23 and have been looking at the Kel-Tec PF-9 but its had so many problem I've pretty much eliminated it. Next would be the P-11 (9mm) or P3-AT (.380).
So I did a little research and this is what I found. I used the same round for comparison. Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
----------------------------------------------------------
TKO=Taylor Index
Penetration= Four plastic jugs filled with water.
TKO value = [ Weight (gr) x Terminal Velocity (fps) x caliber (in) ] ÷ 7000 (higher the better)
Firearm: Browning Hi-Power
Barrel Length: 4.75"
Caliber: 9MM Luger
Bullet Diameter: 0.355"
Bullet Weight: 124 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 1117 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.635"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 120.5 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 15"
TKO: 7.51
Firearm: Beretta 84F
Barrel Length: 3.5"
Caliber: .380 ACP
Bullet Diameter: 0.355"
Bullet Weight: 90 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 1030 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.572"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 89.8 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 13"
TKO: 5.032
Firearm: Kimber CPD
Barrel Length: 3.0"
Caliber: .45 ACP
Bullet Diameter: 0.451"
Bullet Weight: 165 grains
Make: Federal JHP Hydra-Shok
Velocity: 934 FPS
Recovered Bullet Diameter: 0.717"
Recovered Bullet Weight: 160.0 grains
Distance From Muzzle: 20'
Penetration: 14"
TKO: 6.428
As you can see the 9mm has a better TKO than a .45 which I'm sure I'll hear about from you .45 hard heads. The .380 is not much under the .45 basically because of velocity. I understand the the barrel length will affect velocity and that shot placement is key. I've tried to take (placement) that factor out.
http://www.stevespages.com/page8f.htm
Okay ya all. Chop away. I'm a man. I can take it. Just don't hurt my feelings because I'm a sensitive 21st century man. :smt089
Take a breath Shipwreck. It'll be okay. We're all adults here and we've been very good about keeping things civil here. That is why I'm here.