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    Holy shit! Thank god for that jam!


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    I saw that yesterday. This is the reason that I have never had any faith in pepper spray. So many people aren't phased by it.

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    The picture is horrible and I don't have speakers hooked up now. Could someone summarize it better?

    It's not unheard of for people to get the shit beat out of them or killed when they use pepper spray. It's only as effective as the sprayee allows it to be.

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    What brand?

    What gun is that so I know to get something else that won't jam! Lucky bastard. Was the criminal drugged up?
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    I doubt if it was a Glock. I think one of the benefits of the internally striker fired handguns is that in situations like this where the gun might be dragged across the ground or whatever, the external hammer guns are more likely to be damaged or collect enough debris to prevent the hammer from going forward. If I were police officer, I think I would prefer a gun with an internal striker. I think the officer showed a lot of restraint. Had it been me, I think I would have fired several shots (or at least tried to) the first time he fired his weapon. And, I wouldn't have been aiming for his stomach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martial_field View Post
    I doubt if it was a Glock. I think one of the benefits of the internally striker fired handguns is that in situations like this where the gun might be dragged across the ground or whatever, the external hammer guns are more likely to be damaged or collect enough debris to prevent the hammer from going forward. If I were police officer, I think I would prefer a gun with an internal striker. I think the officer showed a lot of restraint. Had it been me, I think I would have fired several shots (or at least tried to) the first time he fired his weapon. And, I wouldn't have been aiming for his stomach.
    Glocks are not perfect by any means. It did not say what kind of jam so it could be anything! Since he fired from a weird angle as he fell with the guy it could be FTE. Like a stove pipe or something would be my guess. And Glocks are kinda prone to stove piping when not held tightly...who knows

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    Dirty Harry woulda carried a .44 Magnum. That would have caused a little more damage. The guy will be able to practice his boxing skills in prison though.

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    Any gun can jam but I still stand by my comment about one favorable aspect of the internal striker fired handguns being that they have fewer moving parts exposed to damage or fouling in this kind of situation. It doesnt have to be a Glock. An XD would have the same advantage. I made a comment in one of these threads about the unfairness of comparing guns like Glocks with guns like 1911s in torture tests. I think any gun with an internal striker is bound to do better in torture tests than those with external hammers. And, the torture tests do have some relevance to real world situations such as when an LEO's gun may get dragged around in the mud or dirt during a fight such as the one we witnessed in this video. I don't know if that is what happened here, but it is a possibility. And, if it didn't happen here, it surely has happened in other situations.
    We all have our preferences, but if my ass were on the line, I'd prefer to be armed with a gun with an internal striker.

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    Well if we're just talking theories, a polymer frame is more prone to getting "chewed up" and rough from dragging against the ground, especially asphalt. But really, in this scenario, it wouldn't have mattered nor would it have mattered if it had an external hammer or a striker mechanism.

    This is not a "torture test". This is REAL. Someone is not going to swim in a pool of acid or kitty litter with their sidearm in real life nor are they going to freeze/bury/submerge their sidearm and come back in a week and depend on it to function. Most pistols of modest quality can function in a typical law enforcement environment. The problem seems to have resulted in less-than-perfect grip(for obvious reasons) which would cause a malfunction in most semi-autos.

    I also forget how a Glock pistol doesn't utilize the old Browning-type recoil-operated system. It's in a whole new class all by itself. Nor does it have any weaknesses. Nor can it ever malfunction. It's perfect.

    The irony though is that if he had something "obsolete", that suspect would've been dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martial_field View Post
    but if my ass were on the line, I'd prefer to be armed with a gun with an internal striker.
    Hey, works for me.

    I feel very comfortable with my HK's and would fully trust it if my ass were on the ling. To the above, it is interesting how a gun can pass multiple torture tests to prove it is 100% reliable but when you're ass is on the line it jams. That is why you gotta train for jams! This video is a perfect example of why!

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    You just never know what will happen when Mr. Murphy shows up for a visit. When I was a teenager I had my rubber break on my wrist rocket and it snapped me in my face. One just never knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    You just never know what will happen when Mr. Murphy shows up for a visit. When I was a teenager I had my rubber break on my wrist rocket and it snapped me in my face. One just never knows.
    sheeeewwwwwwww!

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    Guess nothing in life is 100% perfect.Anyone know the outcome? Randall

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.R. View Post
    Guess nothing in life is 100% perfect.Anyone know the outcome? Randall
    Are ya talking about the rubber breaking on his wrist rocket??
    Tnoisaw has posted pics and the evidence is there for your scrutiny

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    He still managed to shoot the guy in the abdomen at point blank range and the guy was walking around like he just nipped him or something. My first thought when watching this was, "So that's why they made those damn tasers!" I honestly think this guy would have had to empty a full mag or two to stop the BG, regardless of what kind of gun it was, and he probably would have gotten killed had the gun not jammed while he was being flung around like a rag doll.

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