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    any ideas

    Okay, I like the size and feel of the G19/23, but I also want a single action weapon that can be carried cocked and locked. A 3 inch 1911 is not what I'm looking for. Any suggestions. Strong points I'm looking for: Low bore axis, 9mm or .40, a little partial to polymer, looks cool, single action. Just looking for some names or companies. Thanks in advance for the help. I guess an idea I like is a walther P22 design(SA polymer that fits well), but larger bore.

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    How about a Commander length (4"-4 1/4") 1911 in 38 Super, 40 S&W or 45 ACP. Several maker have them with a polymer frame, alloy frame or steel, they're single action, made to be carried cocked and locked and RELIABLE.

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    Several folks manufacture a 4" 1911 with an 'officers' size frame. That sounds to me what your looking for.

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    U mentioned the P22 - Just buy the P99 - It has a nice SA trigger - It is a DA/SA gun, but U can use the 3rd ption of the A/S model - a long Single action pull - almost like it is a triple action gun.

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    Isn't the P99 a striker fired weapon????

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    How about an H&K USP 45 Compact? It can be carried cocked and locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwkimber45 View Post
    Isn't the P99 a striker fired weapon????
    Yes, but it COULD be carried in SA mode - U can set it to have a long, SA pull on the 1st shot. So, U wouldn't be carrying it completely cocked (with the trigger all the way back in SA mode) - That's why I mentioned it. It's almost triple action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Yes, but it COULD be carried in SA mode - U can set it to have a long, SA pull on the 1st shot. So, U wouldn't be carrying it completely cocked (with the trigger all the way back in SA mode) - That's why I mentioned it. It's almost triple action.
    sorry, I forgot to mention that I want a hammer I can lower manually. I've shot and like the P99 Shippy, but it's not what I'm looking for really. Thanks for all the imput guys, a commander sized 1911 would be okay, but a poly 1911 is not on my cool looks list. I guess I'm just dreaming, I'll probably end up having to design it myself, then sell it and make a bajillion dollars, and buy every single gun I've ever wanted, etc. If they made a P99 with external hammer and saftey, that would be perfect.

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    An unusual choice might be the HK P7. You don't exactly carry it cocked and locked, but it is a reliable single action with a VERY low bore axis. I think it "looks cool," but others think it looks like a staplegun. It's slim and easy to conceal, though not light at (I think) about 34 ounces empty. It recoils only slightly more than a .22. Seriously.

    Be warned, they aren't cheap and the manual of arms differs from every other gun in the Known Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nukehayes View Post
    sorry, I forgot to mention that I want a hammer I can lower manually.
    Well, I guess that knocks out the P7...unless you consider lowering the striker by relaxing your hand "manual."

    You do know that if you run a single action pistol correctly, you never manually lower the hammer, right?
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    USP fullsize or compact is about all that's left, if ya want it in polymer AND be cocked and locked.

    I have a 9mm version USP compact - good gun.

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    does ruger make any semi autos where the safety lever is only a safety or are they all de-cockers as well, like on the beretta M9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukehayes View Post
    does ruger make any semi autos where the safety lever is only a safety or are they all de-cockers as well, like on the beretta M9?
    Ruger centerfire autos are DAO or TDA, no single actions. If they did make a single action, I am sure the slide and frame would be stamped, "PISTOLS ARE MUCH TOO DANGEROUS TO EVEN CONSIDER TOUCHING. DO NOT USE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. STURM, RUGER."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham at Galco View Post
    If they did make a single action, I am sure the slide and frame would be stamped, "PISTOLS ARE MUCH TOO DANGEROUS TO EVEN CONSIDER TOUCHING. DO NOT USE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. STURM, RUGER."
    he he, good one.
    I might look into a HK USPc, but man they are expensive. Do they come with a normal hammer? If not, I might be able to replace it with one from a full size USP.
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    No, no normal hammer - but really, it is easy to use. I wish it had a regular hammer myself. But, I think HK charges $80 to put it in. WIth the shipping cost, it would be pretty expensive to change it.

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    So I have to ask, NukeHayes: why the insistence on a hammer (with a spur, no less)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    No, no normal hammer - but really, it is easy to use. I wish it had a regular hammer myself. But, I think HK charges $80 to put it in. WIth the shipping cost, it would be pretty expensive to change it.
    Not entirely true. If you ORDER a varient 9 they come with the spurred hammer. You pretty much have to order it from HK. I've never seen a NIB V9 on a dealer's shelf.

    I need to read up on the P99 some more, sounds like an interesting weapon.......SA trigger capability, got my interest now. Does that version have manual safety??

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    I'm not real familiar with the entire line, but what about CZs? They can be carried cocked and locked, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwkimber45 View Post

    I need to read up on the P99 some more, sounds like an interesting weapon.......SA trigger capability, got my interest now. Does that version have manual safety??

    It is the A/S model that has double action/single action mode or the long single action/short single action mode - depending on how U want to set up the 1st shot.

    I used to carry mine cocked in the long single action mode when I first got it. Now, however, I don't find the DA 1st shot that bad - so I just keep it decocked now.

    In answer to your question, no, it does not have a manual safety - only a decocker - a way to put it back into DA mode (for the 1st shot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham at Galco View Post
    So I have to ask, NukeHayes: why the insistence on a hammer (with a spur, no less)?
    Well, a few reasons. One, I like having the option of either hammer down with a DA pull or cocked with a short pull. Another is I think it looks good. I also enjoy just tinkering with my weapons, thumbing the hammer, releasing, you know, just being facinated by the mechanics of the weapon itself. I would love a PPK/s if the slide mounted safety was just a safety and I could decide wether it was cocked or uncocked with the safety on. Oh well, guess I have to deal with it.

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