I got to agree with you again Richard. Old JB got it right. On my revolvers I have to fine a slimmer grip as I have small hands. That's why the Python was my all time favorite. Their grips were slimmer than a S&W. Here's a picture of my revolvers. Python .357 top, S&W 19-4 .357/ with Hogue stocks, S&W .44spl/ slim grips from the factory.