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    Question on ATF and Shotgun

    Hey I had a question for you guys

    Say you wanted to get one of these



    and turn it into this (legally)



    How would this be registered? Would it be a Short bbl Shotgun or a AOW?
    My best guess is that it would be an AOW. Is that right?

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    I can't answer your specific question, but may I ask why do you need a sawed-off shotgun? I've wondered why anyone needs or for what purpose would one use a sawed-off shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigZagger View Post
    I can't answer your specific question, but may I ask why do you need a sawed-off shotgun? I've wondered why anyone needs or for what purpose would one use a sawed-off shotgun.
    For fun! I have no NEED for one but It looks like it would be a fun little range toy and conversation piece
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    Quote Originally Posted by -gunut- View Post
    For fun! I have no NEED for one but It looks like it would be a fun little range toy and conversation piece
    Google for Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge.It would not be fun to shoot any way.

    Ed

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    Good question. I wouldn't do that to a beautiful SxS though. They just don't make 'em much anymore. I'd do that to an over-under or singleshot.

    How you convert the external hammers to internal ones is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdog View Post
    Google for Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge.It would not be fun to shoot any way.

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    No. Randy Weaver only took a couple inches off of the butt. It was only the OAL that they tried to get him on. Not the barrel length. And it wasn't done through legal channels not that the government had any business slaughtering his family anyway.
    Last edited by Revolver; 10-16-2006 at 05:53 PM.

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    Google for Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge.
    What do they have to do with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver View Post
    ... I wouldn't do that to a beautiful SxS though. They just don't make 'em much anymore. ....
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -gunut- View Post
    What do they have to do with it?
    If you don't get thier permission for you to do what you want with your own property and pay them for it they can come do to you what they did to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony pasley View Post
    If you don't get thier permission for you to do what you want with your own property and pay them for it they can come do to you what they did to them.
    So you can buy a gun, then legally mod it, and they can do that?! I have never heard of that!
    :eek:

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    aow because it has a pistol grip. do the pistol grip first so you dont have to worry about registering it has an sbs while the full stock is on with the short barrel.

    loop holes kick ass.

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    I believe reconNinja is correct. What he means is if you cut the barrel first, to make a short-barreled shotgun (SBS), then you would have to register it a second time to "make" an any other weapon (AOW). The tax stamp for an SBS is $200; $5 for an AOW.

    Whichever you choose, make sure you have the ATF-approved form in-hand BEFORE you do any alteration. You can download your Form 1 for free from here http://www.titleii.com/ . Do double-sided printing to have the Form 1 printed on one page vice two, or the ATF will reject it and you'll have to start over.

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    I forgot to ask: You do live in a state where these firearms are allowed, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfawcs View Post
    I forgot to ask: You do live in a state where these firearms are allowed, right?
    Yeah, I live in Oregon

    Only $5?! Wow!

    If I wanted to do this I don't think I would be able to do it my self. I would have to wait for the stamp and take that and the gun to a gunsmith.

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    Seriously, U need to contact the ATF directly and ask - just so U get it correct. U can't afford a mistake like this by getting bad advice online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Seriously, U need to contact the ATF directly and ask - just so U get it correct. U can't afford a mistake like this by getting bad advice online.
    Oh I know! I am not going to do this now so I was just wondering. If I were, I would give them a call to know for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by -gunut- View Post
    Yeah, I live in Oregon

    Only $5?! Wow!

    If I wanted to do this I don't think I would be able to do it my self. I would have to wait for the stamp and take that and the gun to a gunsmith.
    Whups...don't get too excited. I made a mistake (it WAS pretty early in the morning). It's a $5 transfer fee if you buy one already registered, like from a dealer; it's $200 if you start from scratch, because -you- are the manufacturer or "maker".

    You CAN do it yourself. Fill out the Form 1, get fingerprinted, get a passport size photo, put it through whatever process your state requires. After you get done with the state, ship everything off to the ATF with a money order for $200. It's really pretty easy.

    This link http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/nfab/index.htm will take you to an information list of NFA items on the ATF web site. One is like an FAQ, with the phone number of the NFA processing facility in West VA at the bottom.

    If you have any questions, I'll be glad to try and give you an answer. Use rfawcs@keepandbeararms.com. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfawcs View Post
    Whups...don't get too excited. I made a mistake (it WAS pretty early in the morning). It's a $5 transfer fee if you buy one already registered, like from a dealer; it's $200 if you start from scratch, because -you- are the manufacturer or "maker".

    You CAN do it yourself. Fill out the Form 1, get fingerprinted, get a passport size photo, put it through whatever process your state requires. After you get done with the state, ship everything off to the ATF with a money order for $200. It's really pretty easy.

    This link http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/nfab/index.htm will take you to an information list of NFA items on the ATF web site. One is like an FAQ, with the phone number of the NFA processing facility in West VA at the bottom.

    If you have any questions, I'll be glad to try and give you an answer. Use rfawcs@keepandbeararms.com. Good luck!
    Hey thanks alot for your help!

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