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Thread: Another, "Which pistol?" thread, with a twist ....

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    Another, "Which pistol?" thread, with a twist ....

    This is another of those "which pistol?" posts but hopefully with enough of a flair that it will be a somewhat relevant question for y'all.

    I'm in the market for what will essentially be a home defense pistol that will also see quite a bit of practice time on indoor and outdoor ranges. It might get carried on a rare occasion but that would most likely be when I am outdoors doing some hunting or hiking. For the most part, it will not be a CCW.

    I am getting back into pistols after a small hiatus. I have taken a couple of defensive handgun classes and plan on continuing doing so to the tune of 2-3 per year. Might even throw a private lesson or two in between each of them, as well. I've owned a .357 revolver for decades, and owned a P2000 for about two years but sold it to a guy who offered me far too much for it. I had thousands of rounds through the revolver, and at least 1,000 through the HK, so I am not a newbie but am not super-experienced, either. Probably just enough to have bad habits.

    I plan on getting this home defense pistol, an EDC pistol (both in 9mm) and a .22lr pistol for plinking and for training my 12-year-old daughter with (she has already been trained on .22 revolver and rifle).

    I have already shot the following, and am not interested in trying out more:

    G26, 19, 17
    M&P 9 FS, 9C and 9 Shield
    XDm 9 4.5, 3.8
    XDs 9 3.3, 4.0
    XDs .45 3.3
    PX4C, FS and SC
    92FS, 92FS Compact L
    P226, P229, P224
    PPQ M2
    VP9, P30

    My vision for this gun is a high-value proposition with high reliability and ease of use.

    I did not like the Glocks, so they are all out. Everything else I liked but the wife has said whatever I get must have an external safety because of our daughter and I have agreed to that, so that that leaves out the very fine VP30 and PPQ, both of which I LOVED.

    To be honest, I shot all of them well enough that I would purchase them. However, a few stood out and think I have narrowed my choice down to the XDm 4.5, M&P FS, PX4 FS and, in a bit of a one-off, the 92FS Compact L.

    My CCW will be either the 9 Shield or the XDs 9 3.3. I shoot both well (perhaps a tiny bit better with the XDs) but enjoyed shooting the Shield more. I am OK with either because I realize I'll get better with training on whichever I end up with and that will enhance my enjoyment.

    My problem, and what makes up my question to you, is that while I am looking for value and utility in this home defense purchase, I just can't seem to get the beauty and aesthetic quality of the 92FS Compact out of my head. I shoot the M&P and XDm just as well or better, and the M&P's ergonomics are almost perfect for me. I am also more than likely going to buy the new M&P 22 Compact for plinking and training the daughter (and probably the Shield, as well), so there's the "same platform" thingy to consider. But every time I pick up that damn Beretta, I feel like a really gorgeous woman just walked by and smiled at me. You know the feeling?

    My question is, is it OK to buy a pistol just because it's beautiful, and because holding it and fondling it and looking at it makes you happy, when all other practicality might point to another fantastic gun like the M&P FS, XDm or PX4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorMA View Post
    <huuuuuuge freakin' snip>

    My question is, is it OK to buy a pistol just because it's beautiful, and because holding it and fondling it and looking at it makes you happy, when all other practicality might point to another fantastic gun like the M&P FS, XDm or PX4?
    Yes, absolutely - that's why I own a Beretta 84F.

    It was lust at first sight....

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    You said you have already owned an HK, and that you liked the VP30 (I'm not real sure what that is, because HK makes a VP9 and a P30, but NOT a VP30).

    I am going to assume you liked the HK P30, if so, be aware they do make that model with a manual safety. It is the HK model P30S. I know, because I have one which is MY EDC, and it's great!

    I also have a PX4C which is also a fine pistol. In fact, it used to by my EDC until I picked up a P30S and was immediately hooked.

    Good luck with your choice.

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    If you haven't already looked at it, please consider the Ruger SR22P for a 22 plinker before making up your mind. Great little gun, more fun but less accurate than my 22/45 MkIII.

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    First, I will say you cannot go wrong with any of the models you listed. Any would be a great choice. One point to consider. If your 12 year old is taught properly about firearms, it won't matter whether the weapon has a safety on it or not. The best (and only real safety) is your mind. Just food for thought b/c you could rule out some really fine pistols based on an unnecessary requirement. Perhaps consider getting your wife and daughter in the classes also. Competence breeds confidence.

    That said, I would say get the Beretta. It seems to be the "one" that has stolen your heart. The 92sf is one of the finest pistols you can buy, and if it grabbed you like you've described, you'll always regret not getting it. Just a word of caution. Don't let you wife catch you fondling it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
    First, I will say you cannot go wrong with any of the models you listed. Any would be a great choice. One point to consider. If your 12 year old is taught properly about firearms, it won't matter whether the weapon has a safety on it or not. The best (and only real safety) is your mind. Just food for thought b/c you could rule out some really fine pistols based on an unnecessary requirement. Perhaps consider getting your wife and daughter in the classes also. Competence breeds confidence.
    Totally agree and understand. However, the bottom line here is that my wife is going to let my buy three brand new semi-auto handguns if they all have an external safety vs. zero semi-auto handguns if they do not. Easy decision for me.

    BTW, wife and daughter are going to get classes. That's part of the deal .... we decided as a family that we are going to do it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SailDesign View Post
    If you haven't already looked at it, please consider the Ruger SR22P for a 22 plinker before making up your mind. Great little gun, more fun but less accurate than my 22/45 MkIII.
    Shot it alongside both M&Ps. Liked it as well as the full size M&P (Umarex-built) but liked the trigger better on the Compact M&P (S&W-made). It doesn't really matter to me, though. If the LGS is out of the M&P 22 Compact the day I go down to make the purchase, I'd be just as happy with the Ruger and would probably come home with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorMA View Post
    Shot it alongside both M&Ps. Liked it as well as the full size M&P (Umarex-built) but liked the trigger better on the Compact M&P (S&W-made). It doesn't really matter to me, though. If the LGS is out of the M&P 22 Compact the day I go down to make the purchase, I'd be just as happy with the Ruger and would probably come home with it.
    Have to admit I've been looking hard at the M&P range recently... But my next buy is a Single-Six, then another rifle. THEN I might go after an M&P. If I'm still married....

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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
    You said you have already owned an HK, and that you liked the VP30 (I'm not real sure what that is, because HK makes a VP9 and a P30, but NOT a VP30).

    I am going to assume you liked the HK P30, if so, be aware they do make that model with a manual safety. It is the HK model P30S. I know, because I have one which is MY EDC, and it's great!

    I also have a PX4C which is also a fine pistol. In fact, it used to by my EDC until I picked up a P30S and was immediately hooked.

    Good luck with your choice.
    I like the P30 very much. It just misses out on the "value" part of this purchase by a bit too much to have made the cut. I can walk out of the LGS with an M&P 9 FS and an M&P .22 Compact for the price of the P30. The wife likes value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SailDesign View Post
    Have to admit I've been looking hard at the M&P range recently... But my next buy is a Single-Six, then another rifle. THEN I might go after an M&P. If I'm still married....
    You may not want to shoot the little M&P 22 Compact for awhile. Divorces are expensive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorMA View Post
    You may not want to shoot the little M&P 22 Compact for awhile. Divorces are expensive!
    I'll remember that...

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    The simple answer to which weapon is the best is always yes......
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    This is what has caught my eye:



    And, compared to her big sister:

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    Well I'm very happy for you to be able to get the guns you want with a little compromise. Good luck with it all, and look forward to some updates.

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    OK. So, scratch the Beretta, at least for now. The LGS five minutes from my office wants $729 for it (!!!!!!!!) and won't come down a single penny, even though I can easily pull up online retailers selling the gun at $619 with free shipping and one local competitor has one in stock at $649. I would have to drive a bit longer but may end up doing so. Can't believe a store wouldn't want to make a sale and at least come down to around $650, or so.

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    Budsgunshop.com current shows the Beretta 92FS Italian version for $548. You can order from them and have them ship it to a local FFL for delivery to you. Of course that FFL is going to charge a fee... they're not in business to lose money.

    As for the M&P's. I have five of them, four of which are centerfires and one is the M&P 22. All are superb guns. My M&P 9 Pro Series and M&P 40 both have the 4.25" barrel. These are real shooters and very accurate. I would highly recommend the M&P 9 for range work or carry. Just keep the magazines clean. They are prone to getting dirty (burnt powder residue) and there are reasons for this. But not to worry; keep them clean.

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