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    tps3443 is online now Junior Member
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    First hand gun! Permitts ready, HK VP-9?/ FN FNS-9?/ SIG P320?

    Hey guys! I am new here. And I am looking for some advice. I have always owned rifles and shotguns my entire life. I am 24 years old, married with 2 kids. I am now looking to get my first pistol! I applied for a Pistol permit online, $8.58 later, and it was approved in 2 HOURS! So, I picked it up the same day before the sheriffs office closed at 5PM that day in Johnston County NC!

    So I got my permitt. Im hoping to buy something either this weekend, or Monday. My gun will be for.. Self Defense, target shooting, and maybe hunting small things here and there. But mainly target, and self defense!

    I have really been looking all over the place "Online", and review after review, after review! I have yet to hold any of these pistols in person yet. So, tomorrow im going to get out and take a look at some in person.

    I am not very familiar with handguns at all! So don't confuse me. But, I am getting there! I know that the Sig Sauer P210 is one heck of a shot! But, also about $1000 or so to much!


    HERE ARE THE TOP PICKS!
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    HK VP 9 9MM striker fire Pistol 15+1 Capacity

    FN FNS 9 9mm striker fire pistol 17+1 Capacity

    Sig Sauer P320 9mm Striker fire pistol 17+1 Capacity

    I like all of these guns, because they are all high quality! And full size. From what it looks like they are all capable of 2" groups or maybe a bit less at 25 yards or so. And they are big guns, nice full GRIP. Ive got big hands. And I want a gun that is capable, and shoots a 9mm how it is suppose to fire a 9mm round.

    I am not conceal carrying anything. So size is not to important! But, I don't want a 44 Magnum or anything like that.

    So what do you guys think? I like the FN, and SIG they are nice and affordable. But, the HK is top shelf I hear. And can just keep going and going... Im hoping you experienced guys can really narrow this down for me. Thanks for all the help! But all of these are great looking, and great reviewed weapons! And I will take either one.

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    Well, first, congrats on your permit! I have not handled the Sig P320, but I do have extensive experience with Sig, and they are top quality. The FNS 9 is a fine pistol. I owned it for a while when I was working through my process to find the best EDC pistol for me. I have little experience with the HK VP9, but just ordered one. While handling it in my local gun store I can tell you it is well balanced, feels solid, and the trigger is very crisp, which is very good. I carry the Glock 19 Gen4 EDC, and I have also the Glock 17 Gen4, Glock 42 and a CZ-75B, which are all great guns. Of the three you listed, I would say HK and Sig are a step above the FNS, although FN does have an almost cult like following. I can tell you this. I am very pleased with Glock Gen4 pistols, but I am really looking forward to shooting the VP9. My cousin is a local cop and says that one of his LTs on the SWAT team has the HK VP9 and LOVES it. HK is one of the premier handguns made, but you'd really be hard pressed to go wrong with any of the three you listed.

    Here's my advice. Shoot all three side by side. This will give you a really good feel for which is best for you. You should be able to find a range that rents guns, although you may have a hard time finding one that has the HK VP9 and Sig P320 for rent as they are really new guns on the market. I think the HK just became available last month. I would push the HK, but you may love a different one. Why I would push the HK is that the ergonomics are superior to the other pistols. They are the last one to enter the "striker fire" pistol, but don't let that fool you. They were actually the first to make a striker fire gun many years ago, so they know something about it. They took about four years to develop this pistol, and the trigger is what really sets it apart. The bore axis is really low allowing for easier sight picture acquisition, and the pistol is just really well made. Sigs are great guns, but they have a much higher bore axis making it a little more of a challenge to get the quick sight pic, but that is something that can easily be overcome. For one, you may like that better than the lower BA, but also the more you train with the weapon you select, the more proficient you will become with it. That's why I recommend shooting all three, or even as many as you can, to determined which you prefer more. Doing so will take a little more time, but it helps you find the best pistol for you before you spend the money on one you don't like as much as another.
    Plus it is just a lot of fun! Good luck with your search!

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    tps3443 is online now Junior Member
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    I really do like the HK VP9. There quality is very good! And from what it looks like. Not only did they make the first striker fire gun. But, they built the first polymer pistol in the 1970's to.

    I am going to go and hold these guns today.

    I do like the Glock a lot! But, everyone has one. I know they are a tried and trued weapon of choice. And the GEN 4 has made them even better. Reliable, accuracy, and ergonomics, but I hear the trigger is a bit mushy and needs to be setup after purchase.

    I have no doubt in my mind if I can hold either one of these guns today. I will most likely buy it, because it is there! All of these guns look very well! They all shoot good, and are close enough to each other in performance.

    I know the SIG P320 is available in a Compact version with a 3.9" barrel VS the fullsized 4.7" barrel. Do you think I will see much performance difference in this barrel length ? Because a lot of these stores seem to carry the Sig P320 and it is very much affordable. So I may just grab one and call it a day.

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    As far as performance difference, I can't speak to the P320, but I can tell you the difference btwn the Glock 17 & 19 is so marginal you won't notice it. I resisted committing to Glock for a while b/c I just didn't want to go Glock. I love the Sig P226 and P229, and carried them for years. But once I went through my personal trials, I came to realize that I just handle the Glocks better. Now, let me be clear in that I handle the Gen4s better than previous generations mainly b/c the grip is slightly smaller and it feels better in my hand. I have no problem with the factory Glock trigger, especially for EDC. I can put a lot of bullets down range and in a good group for defensive shooting. Keep in mind there is a difference in competition shooting vs defensive shooting.

    Competition shooting requires precision shooting under specialized circumstances where as defensive shooting requires multiple shots being placed in a reasonably tight group under extremely demanding conditions. Bear in mind that roughly 97% of all altercations occur within 10 yards, and are over within a few seconds. You have to be able to identify the threat, pull your weapon and put at least 2.5 shots (avg shots it takes to stop someone) into the threat before you have neutralize the threat. All this takes place within a few seconds. You will want a weapon you can shoot quickly, accurately and repeatedly. Your heart will be racing, adrenaline pumping, decision making process compressed, physical functions going haywire, all while you're trying to keep from soiling yourself.

    That is why I began to look for the perfect EDC gun for me. Something I can conceal and shoot well. I like the Glock 19 b/c it gives me ultimate concealability with maximum capacity. Choose a good weapon you can shoot well, use the best ammunition and practice a lot. I think the Glock, Sig, HK, FN are all fine weapons. It's just a matter of what you like best and feel most comfortable with. So I do recommend taking some time to handle the weapons, shoot them if you can, and commit to one and train with it a lot. Don't go switching back and forth a lot, but one thing you will learn is that the more familiar you are with shooting the more able you will be to use any platform effectively. That said, although I love shooting all types of guns, I use my Glock a lot and work with it to maintain familiarity. After I've shot another gun, I go back to the Glock and it's like my old friend. It's just my gun. I may switch to the HK VP9 if I like how it performs, but it would really have to impress me before I go away from carrying my Glock 19.

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    tps3443 is online now Junior Member
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    You sure do sound like a pro shooter! And I do like your opinion. And thank you! And I really do want a gun I can attach to, and learn it, and know it blind folded.
    Im curious to see how you feel about the HK VP9, compared to the Glock! When are you getting the HK VP9?
    And A Glock is still in my purchase list to. Just need to feel them all. And test them.
    A lot of people feel the same way. They are adjusted to the Glock, and do not want to switch. And it takes some gun to make them actually switch over lol

    From what ive really seen so far, and read. The FNS9 and the P320 are really NOT to to far off, from a Glock trigger. They are maybe a little better.

    Although, the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9 are the guns that really separate them selves from the competition trigger wise.
    A lot of GLOCK Shooters when shooting the PPQ And HK VP9 for several hundred rounds. Then moving back to the glock feels awkward in the hand.

    So from what ive seen and read! This HK VP9 just might make you switch! But everyone is different, I may be wrong.

    Once my son wakes up from his nap. Were going to go look at some guns!

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    I don't know if I'm a pro. I have a ton to learn about shooting, but I have spent ample time working some things out. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the VP9 shoots also! It should be in the shop Wednesday, and I can't wait to pick it up. I'll likely shoot it sometime this week just to break it in.

    A lot of folks have varying opinions on triggers. Many are very finicky, and I guess that is just personal preference. For me, I see no need to change the Glock factory trigger; however, I did change the sear on my M&P45, and it made a world of difference. The M&P triggers are a little spongy from the factory, but I don't find that to be the case with the Glocks. That isn't to say they can't be improved upon with a little tinkering, but one thing about triggers is that if you're going to carry it as a EDC defensive pistol, you really don't want a "hair" trigger. I think once you have the chance to shoot the different guns you'll see what I mean with the triggers. One that I shot which I feel has a really nice trigger is the Springfield XD. I didn't like how the gun felt in my hand, but the trigger was really nice. Same with the Steyr pistols. They have a really nice trigger also. I'm just so used to the Glock's trigger and how it feels in my hand that I just can't seem to want to switch away from it. I can't say this about the generations previous to the Gen4 though. It's weird, but that's just the way it is. You'll enjoy the process of selecting your pistol. It really is really gratifying to work these things out, and when you find YOUR pistol, you'll know it. A lot of them are great guns, and they are really nice. I love...LOVE the Sig P226 and the P229, and would choose them in certain situations, but I carry the Glock 19 Gen4 for EDC. You'll know what I mean once you start walking it out. Good luck, and most of all have fun!

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    They all seem to have there own advantages! The SIG is a beautiful gun! Although, it may not have the best trigger. But then again I really don't think that matters to me for self defense. Considering this is my first pistol. A trigger is a trigger! And considering that all of these guns, Glock, Sig, FN, HK are all high end weapon manufacturers. I am sure that they are all just fine. So, im going to eliminate the trigger aspect.

    But, the SIG is fully modular. It can be converted to a 45. And if something breaks, It can be fixed relatively easy.

    The FN has a solid stainless steel barrel, it comes apart easy to. But it is not fully modular.

    The HK has much beefier steel components inside, and the barrel inside it is made out of a Cannon cold hammered metal. And it is built to be shot around 90,000 times.

    Maybe this is all marketing hype. And im thinking about it to much.

    Also, since this is a Pistol purchase Permitt I have. This means I can carry the weapon with me. But, I just cannot conceal it right?

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    You're right. Any of these pistols will out perform you and me. Things you'll want to consider when handling the pistols is not only now it fits in your hand and how nice the trigger breaks, but also how easily can you reach the applicable levers, etc. For me, the Sig and Glock thumb break for the slide release are right there. I don't have to reach for them as opposed to the CZ or 1911. It keeps me from having to move the pistol around to manipulate the slide release. This is handy when reloading. The mag release is also something to consider. One of the improvements Glock made to the Gen4 is a reversible and larger mag release button. You don't want to have to hunt the thing when reloading. The one thing about the HK and Walther pistols is their mag release buttons are paddles at the bottom of the trigger guard, which some people just hate. I admit I'm not the biggest fan of this style, but it can be overcome with practice.

    WRT your permit, these things vary from state to state. It is best to check with your local laws before carrying concealed. A lot of states are open carry, but require a permit to carry conceal. If your permit does not state "conceal carry" then you can't carry concealed. Check with your local sheriff's office on these matters.

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    Well in the sate of NC I have to actually apply for a Concealed Carry permit, so I can carry the gun concealed. But, my question was.

    Since I have a regular handgun permit, I can carry the gun around exposed right? Meaning. I can bring the weapon with me, as long as it is visible. Right?

    I know NC is not to strict. I believe it is still legal to hunt deer with a 22LR here. Its all about shot placement after all.

    Well, Im about to go look at some guns. There are a few guns store right down the road. And they actually just built a BassPro Shop in Cary NC. Which is only 20 minutes away. Although, I am not 100% sure they sell guns. But, I would hope they did. Shootings guns is a little more fun than fishing! Well to me it least.

    I was worried I would not be able to get this permit. Ive seen so many people unable to get one online, even for something as stupid as simple assault in high school and at a much older age and years later, still unable to obtain one!

    I was as excited about getting the permit as buying someone the gun almost! haha.

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