First hand gun! Permitts ready, HK VP-9?/ FN FNS-9?/ SIG P320?
Hey guys! I am new here. And I am looking for some advice. I have always owned rifles and shotguns my entire life. I am 24 years old, married with 2 kids. I am now looking to get my first pistol! I applied for a Pistol permit online, $8.58 later, and it was approved in 2 HOURS! So, I picked it up the same day before the sheriffs office closed at 5PM that day in Johnston County NC!
So I got my permitt. Im hoping to buy something either this weekend, or Monday. My gun will be for.. Self Defense, target shooting, and maybe hunting small things here and there. But mainly target, and self defense!
I have really been looking all over the place "Online", and review after review, after review! I have yet to hold any of these pistols in person yet. So, tomorrow im going to get out and take a look at some in person.
I am not very familiar with handguns at all! So don't confuse me. But, I am getting there! I know that the Sig Sauer P210 is one heck of a shot! But, also about $1000 or so to much!
HERE ARE THE TOP PICKS!
HK VP 9 9MM striker fire Pistol 15+1 Capacity
FN FNS 9 9mm striker fire pistol 17+1 Capacity
Sig Sauer P320 9mm Striker fire pistol 17+1 Capacity
I like all of these guns, because they are all high quality! And full size. From what it looks like they are all capable of 2" groups or maybe a bit less at 25 yards or so. And they are big guns, nice full GRIP. Ive got big hands. And I want a gun that is capable, and shoots a 9mm how it is suppose to fire a 9mm round.
I am not conceal carrying anything. So size is not to important! But, I don't want a 44 Magnum or anything like that.
So what do you guys think? I like the FN, and SIG they are nice and affordable. But, the HK is top shelf I hear. And can just keep going and going... Im hoping you experienced guys can really narrow this down for me. Thanks for all the help! But all of these are great looking, and great reviewed weapons! And I will take either one.
Well, first, congrats on your permit! I have not handled the Sig P320, but I do have extensive experience with Sig, and they are top quality. The FNS 9 is a fine pistol. I owned it for a while when I was working through my process to find the best EDC pistol for me. I have little experience with the HK VP9, but just ordered one. While handling it in my local gun store I can tell you it is well balanced, feels solid, and the trigger is very crisp, which is very good. I carry the Glock 19 Gen4 EDC, and I have also the Glock 17 Gen4, Glock 42 and a CZ-75B, which are all great guns. Of the three you listed, I would say HK and Sig are a step above the FNS, although FN does have an almost cult like following. I can tell you this. I am very pleased with Glock Gen4 pistols, but I am really looking forward to shooting the VP9. My cousin is a local cop and says that one of his LTs on the SWAT team has the HK VP9 and LOVES it. HK is one of the premier handguns made, but you'd really be hard pressed to go wrong with any of the three you listed.
Here's my advice. Shoot all three side by side. This will give you a really good feel for which is best for you. You should be able to find a range that rents guns, although you may have a hard time finding one that has the HK VP9 and Sig P320 for rent as they are really new guns on the market. I think the HK just became available last month. I would push the HK, but you may love a different one. Why I would push the HK is that the ergonomics are superior to the other pistols. They are the last one to enter the "striker fire" pistol, but don't let that fool you. They were actually the first to make a striker fire gun many years ago, so they know something about it. They took about four years to develop this pistol, and the trigger is what really sets it apart. The bore axis is really low allowing for easier sight picture acquisition, and the pistol is just really well made. Sigs are great guns, but they have a much higher bore axis making it a little more of a challenge to get the quick sight pic, but that is something that can easily be overcome. For one, you may like that better than the lower BA, but also the more you train with the weapon you select, the more proficient you will become with it. That's why I recommend shooting all three, or even as many as you can, to determined which you prefer more. Doing so will take a little more time, but it helps you find the best pistol for you before you spend the money on one you don't like as much as another.
Plus it is just a lot of fun! Good luck with your search!
I really do like the HK VP9. There quality is very good! And from what it looks like. Not only did they make the first striker fire gun. But, they built the first polymer pistol in the 1970's to.
I am going to go and hold these guns today.
I do like the Glock a lot! But, everyone has one. I know they are a tried and trued weapon of choice. And the GEN 4 has made them even better. Reliable, accuracy, and ergonomics, but I hear the trigger is a bit mushy and needs to be setup after purchase.
I have no doubt in my mind if I can hold either one of these guns today. I will most likely buy it, because it is there! All of these guns look very well! They all shoot good, and are close enough to each other in performance.
I know the SIG P320 is available in a Compact version with a 3.9" barrel VS the fullsized 4.7" barrel. Do you think I will see much performance difference in this barrel length ? Because a lot of these stores seem to carry the Sig P320 and it is very much affordable. So I may just grab one and call it a day.
As far as performance difference, I can't speak to the P320, but I can tell you the difference btwn the Glock 17 & 19 is so marginal you won't notice it. I resisted committing to Glock for a while b/c I just didn't want to go Glock. I love the Sig P226 and P229, and carried them for years. But once I went through my personal trials, I came to realize that I just handle the Glocks better. Now, let me be clear in that I handle the Gen4s better than previous generations mainly b/c the grip is slightly smaller and it feels better in my hand. I have no problem with the factory Glock trigger, especially for EDC. I can put a lot of bullets down range and in a good group for defensive shooting. Keep in mind there is a difference in competition shooting vs defensive shooting.
Competition shooting requires precision shooting under specialized circumstances where as defensive shooting requires multiple shots being placed in a reasonably tight group under extremely demanding conditions. Bear in mind that roughly 97% of all altercations occur within 10 yards, and are over within a few seconds. You have to be able to identify the threat, pull your weapon and put at least 2.5 shots (avg shots it takes to stop someone) into the threat before you have neutralize the threat. All this takes place within a few seconds. You will want a weapon you can shoot quickly, accurately and repeatedly. Your heart will be racing, adrenaline pumping, decision making process compressed, physical functions going haywire, all while you're trying to keep from soiling yourself.
That is why I began to look for the perfect EDC gun for me. Something I can conceal and shoot well. I like the Glock 19 b/c it gives me ultimate concealability with maximum capacity. Choose a good weapon you can shoot well, use the best ammunition and practice a lot. I think the Glock, Sig, HK, FN are all fine weapons. It's just a matter of what you like best and feel most comfortable with. So I do recommend taking some time to handle the weapons, shoot them if you can, and commit to one and train with it a lot. Don't go switching back and forth a lot, but one thing you will learn is that the more familiar you are with shooting the more able you will be to use any platform effectively. That said, although I love shooting all types of guns, I use my Glock a lot and work with it to maintain familiarity. After I've shot another gun, I go back to the Glock and it's like my old friend. It's just my gun. I may switch to the HK VP9 if I like how it performs, but it would really have to impress me before I go away from carrying my Glock 19.
You sure do sound like a pro shooter! And I do like your opinion. And thank you! And I really do want a gun I can attach to, and learn it, and know it blind folded.
Im curious to see how you feel about the HK VP9, compared to the Glock! When are you getting the HK VP9?
And A Glock is still in my purchase list to. Just need to feel them all. And test them.
A lot of people feel the same way. They are adjusted to the Glock, and do not want to switch. And it takes some gun to make them actually switch over lol
From what ive really seen so far, and read. The FNS9 and the P320 are really NOT to to far off, from a Glock trigger. They are maybe a little better.
Although, the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9 are the guns that really separate them selves from the competition trigger wise.
A lot of GLOCK Shooters when shooting the PPQ And HK VP9 for several hundred rounds. Then moving back to the glock feels awkward in the hand.
So from what ive seen and read! This HK VP9 just might make you switch! But everyone is different, I may be wrong.
Once my son wakes up from his nap. Were going to go look at some guns!
I don't know if I'm a pro. I have a ton to learn about shooting, but I have spent ample time working some things out. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the VP9 shoots also! It should be in the shop Wednesday, and I can't wait to pick it up. I'll likely shoot it sometime this week just to break it in.
A lot of folks have varying opinions on triggers. Many are very finicky, and I guess that is just personal preference. For me, I see no need to change the Glock factory trigger; however, I did change the sear on my M&P45, and it made a world of difference. The M&P triggers are a little spongy from the factory, but I don't find that to be the case with the Glocks. That isn't to say they can't be improved upon with a little tinkering, but one thing about triggers is that if you're going to carry it as a EDC defensive pistol, you really don't want a "hair" trigger. I think once you have the chance to shoot the different guns you'll see what I mean with the triggers. One that I shot which I feel has a really nice trigger is the Springfield XD. I didn't like how the gun felt in my hand, but the trigger was really nice. Same with the Steyr pistols. They have a really nice trigger also. I'm just so used to the Glock's trigger and how it feels in my hand that I just can't seem to want to switch away from it. I can't say this about the generations previous to the Gen4 though. It's weird, but that's just the way it is. You'll enjoy the process of selecting your pistol. It really is really gratifying to work these things out, and when you find YOUR pistol, you'll know it. A lot of them are great guns, and they are really nice. I love...LOVE the Sig P226 and the P229, and would choose them in certain situations, but I carry the Glock 19 Gen4 for EDC. You'll know what I mean once you start walking it out. Good luck, and most of all have fun!
They all seem to have there own advantages! The SIG is a beautiful gun! Although, it may not have the best trigger. But then again I really don't think that matters to me for self defense. Considering this is my first pistol. A trigger is a trigger! And considering that all of these guns, Glock, Sig, FN, HK are all high end weapon manufacturers. I am sure that they are all just fine. So, im going to eliminate the trigger aspect.
But, the SIG is fully modular. It can be converted to a 45. And if something breaks, It can be fixed relatively easy.
The FN has a solid stainless steel barrel, it comes apart easy to. But it is not fully modular.
The HK has much beefier steel components inside, and the barrel inside it is made out of a Cannon cold hammered metal. And it is built to be shot around 90,000 times.
Maybe this is all marketing hype. And im thinking about it to much.
Also, since this is a Pistol purchase Permitt I have. This means I can carry the weapon with me. But, I just cannot conceal it right?
You're right. Any of these pistols will out perform you and me. Things you'll want to consider when handling the pistols is not only now it fits in your hand and how nice the trigger breaks, but also how easily can you reach the applicable levers, etc. For me, the Sig and Glock thumb break for the slide release are right there. I don't have to reach for them as opposed to the CZ or 1911. It keeps me from having to move the pistol around to manipulate the slide release. This is handy when reloading. The mag release is also something to consider. One of the improvements Glock made to the Gen4 is a reversible and larger mag release button. You don't want to have to hunt the thing when reloading. The one thing about the HK and Walther pistols is their mag release buttons are paddles at the bottom of the trigger guard, which some people just hate. I admit I'm not the biggest fan of this style, but it can be overcome with practice.
WRT your permit, these things vary from state to state. It is best to check with your local laws before carrying concealed. A lot of states are open carry, but require a permit to carry conceal. If your permit does not state "conceal carry" then you can't carry concealed. Check with your local sheriff's office on these matters.
Well in the sate of NC I have to actually apply for a Concealed Carry permit, so I can carry the gun concealed. It cost $80 bucks, and you must pass a safety class, and demonstrate you know how to handle the firearm and shoot it. But, my question was.
Since I have a regular handgun purchase permit, I can carry the gun around exposed right? Meaning. I can bring the weapon with me, as long as it is visible. Right? "AND NOT CONCEALED"
I do not need to conceal the gun. I would like to show it off for a few weeks anyways! just kidding
I know NC is not to strict. I believe it is still legal to hunt deer with a 22LR here. Its all about shot placement after all.
Well, Im about to go look at some guns. There are a few guns store right down the road. And they actually just built a BassPro Shop in Cary NC. Which is only 20 minutes away. Although, I am not 100% sure they sell guns. But, I would hope they did. Shootings guns is a little more fun than fishing! Well to me it least.
I was actually worried I would not be able to get this permit. Ive seen so many people unable to get one online, even for something as stupid as simple assault in high school and at a much older age and years later, still unable to obtain one!
I was as excited about getting the permit as someone buying the gun almost! haha.
I may consider used as well. If the condition is superior and the price is reasonable. But, in a lot of pistols. Sometimes the price does not justify enough to buy used over new.
Im going out to go hunting for a FN FNS 9MM a / SIG SAUER P320/ Also a SIG SAUER P320 Compact , HK VP9/ Possibly a Walther PPQ/ I might even go for a Springfield XD-m Competition/ I am open to several GlOCKS in the GEN4 platform. I would love to have a Sig Sauer P210 Ive heard the swiss ski pastrol shoots and trains with these SIG SAUER P210's at 100 meters! Wow. Unfortunately the P210 is a bit out of reach on price. But ive heard great things. Apparently it is just like magic.
But, im hoping and feel confident I can get the same results with any of these guns!
I was originally after something small and tiny. But, I really don't mind the big gun! I want a good shootings pistol, with enough barrel length to get a bullet out to its full potential.
THANKS FOR THE HELP! IF I BUY SOMETHING I WILL PUT PICS UP! HOPEFULLY I FIND WHAT I WANT!
Sometimes used guns is a good way to go. You can get a used high quality pistols for very reasonable prices instead of buying something of lesser quality for the same price. It sounds to me like maybe you have a conceal carry permit, but I'm not sure what the NC state laws are. It's best to research that. WRT to the size of the pistol, if you're not accustomed to shooting pistols I would not start with a tiny pistol. Start with a full size pistol, or something no smaller than say the Glock 19. Smaller pistols require considerable skill to shoot well. They are more difficult to control due to recoil being harsher, and the shorter barrels make it harder to be more accurate. Good luck!
Quick (biased) answer : Buy the Sig P320
.... handled one earlier in the week and absolutely fell in love. The trigger is very unique and has a very nice break. The grip is natural and comfortable... mag changes are lightening fast. Sights on the model I was handling were great like most Sig sights. The minimalist approach to exterior features is a welcome edition... nothing to accidentally press or hold down while acquiring your grip. Really wish I could have shot it to experience the trigger with actual ammo and see how the recoil is on it. This will most likely be my next handgun purchase (next year). I am not exactly a brand loyal fanboy either... I have Beretta, M&P, Ruger, CZ, Kahr and Sig all represented in my collection. Other manufacturers of striker fired handguns should be afraid of this new offering from Sig... it's gonna be a major contender in the already flooded striker fired market.
The other guns mentioned are quality firearms and will fulfill most roles just fine... comes down to personal preference and your budget. None are "cheap" by any means... but what you will save could go towards more ammo.
You need to do your research on each model your interested in and try to at least handle each before your final decision... don't worry to much about not firing it first as I have bought almost all my guns based on my research and handling of them in shops. I've never been disappointed (except for a Taurus PT111 many years ago) yet and have learned to shoot each quite well after learning each. You may not be able to fire all the models your interested in... but that should not take that make/model out of the running for that fact alone... at least imo.
Remember... YOU are making a decision of which gun is right for YOU... nobody in here is gonna be able to give you a definitive answer on that... just our opinions which change from person to person. YOU are going to be the best judge of what YOU will like or need. Opinions are nice to hear and may confirm your suspicions on certain models... but they are just opinions.
Good luck and enjoy the process! It should be a pleasurable one. Few decisions in life are as fun & enjoyable as trying to figure out which gun to buy, lol.
TAP, I expect at some point in the near future I'll have the P320 myself. As I said above, I put the VP9 on order, and I plan to get my daughter a M4 style .22LR for Christmas, but after that, I believe I may just put the P320 on the list. I got to shoot the VP9 at the range yesterday, and it was really superb. I loved the trigger on it, and the ergonomics were just stellar. Not sure if you've gotten your hands on one, but you'd probably like it.
My vote would have to go to the HK VP9. I have not even held one yet, but from the two articles I read on the gun, it seems HK finally produced a pistol that most "working" people could actually afford. Being an HK, I am sure the quality is there too.
Hey guys, I have not bought a gun yet. Ive been a bit limited on time. I went to a few places, and caught them at closing of shop. When I did get to finally have some time inside the new bassproshop store in Cary NC, I held a few different guns. Unfortunately, they do NOT carry SIG. Im not sure why. But they just do not.
But, I did get a lot of time to hold the FNS-9mm and the FNS-40S&W.
I held the FNS-9 first, stainless slide, night sights, nice looking gun! Much smaller than I thought it would be. I just have not held a handgun in years. It fit the hand perfect! The weight was great. Quality felt very good! The slide release was extremely hard to push down it seemed, when it was cocked back. Maybe I was just not accustom to this yet, as I have never owned a pistol. Only rifles and shotguns! And after trying a few more times, it was easier. Anyways, I could not feel the trigger. They have a lock on it for safety purposes. But this is ok!
I also held the FNS-40 and this gun was beautiful as well! The first thing I noticed was it felt top heavy. At first, I thought.. did the other fns9 feel like this one? And then I remembered I was holding the FNS40 and not a FNS9. So I guess this would balance out once a loaded clip was in the grip, and not a empty clip. But as soon as I picked it up, it felt as if the top where the slide is just wanted to topple right on over.
The store did not have the other guns I am interested in. They did not have a HK VP9 either. Although, so far I am really liking the FNS-9! I may even get a FNS-40. I am going to have a gun by this Wednesday at the latest. By Tuesday another gun store near my house is going to have a shipment coming in, and they are suppose to have P320's and VP9's. They already have some FNS-9's and FNS-40's available, None with night sight though. But that is ok.
So, considering this is a small gun shop. Tuesday when I get in there. I am going to get to hold them all! And test all of the triggers. I was so surprised with the FN's. These are nice little guns! And for the money, they are tough to beat it seems. If I become to impatient by Monday, I may just buy a FNS-9. Because, honestly I love the gun! And love the way it feels in my hand. It just felt really good to me. But, Considering they are all in a similar price range. I really want to see this sig, and HK.
I am kind of glad I held the FNS first. because, I got a lot of time to really feel the gun. And I was really impressed. And I could really see my self shooting something like this, I just had a sense of confidence, and the gun did not feel intimidating one bit to me, does this make sense? lol. This makes it only more intriguing to hold the Sig P320, and the HK VP9. These are both upper premium pistols. I am going solely on how the gun feels in the hand and aims, and trigger. Which ever I like the best I will get! The Sig and Hk will have to really stack up! Because I am in love with the FNS-9
I also held a Springfield XD Compact, These are nice guns. And while the lemmon squeeze safety is a nice feature. I felt as if I were constantly checking my hand grip to make sure it was pressed correctly, or if my hand was seated the right way. It was a nice gun! But, I didn't like it. I held full sized and compact. I did not have much confidence in the gun. This Lemon squeeze was more distracting than anything! None the less, it is still a nice gun. And some one else could pick it up, and love it like I love the FNS-9, and FNS-40. And probably carry this thing every day with confidence.
Granted the FNS9 feels good, and it is a good shooter; however, I am sure you will find that the Sig and HK more than stack up. I've owned the FNS9 and I liked it, but the HK is a much better pistol. That isn't to say you will like it better than the FN, but I think you will. A lot of professionals use FN. FN has a fine reputation and it's a fine weapon, but having compared the two, I'd choose the HK. I need to find a P320 to check out, but as of today, I'm a fan of the HK, which is saying something b/c I really don't like other HKs. I will say I really don't like the way the P320 looks, but I've heard nothing but good things about the gun, so it deserves a look see, but I'm sure I'll buy the HK first since I actually have it ordered.
Originally Posted by tps3443
I really encourage you to see if you can find all these guns at a local range and shoot them side by side to compare before you buy. It may take a little longer to actually buy one, but it is the best way to actually find out which gun you like best. I can't stress that enough!
HK VP9 and SIG P320
I like the HK VP9 grip, everything can be changed around to something like 27 grip variations.
I like the SIG P320, because it is fully modular. So replacing anything is very easy.
The HK VP9 is a great looking gun! But, it just looks like a better Walther PPQ. I mean, it looks just like a PPQ! IT even had a good trigger like one haha.
Over looks, I like all the guns.
I don't think I am going to try and fire all of these. Im just going to buy what I really like. And I am sure it will work out in the end.
Its not like im buying a Kel-tec PF9 blindy and then I shoot off 200 rounds, and my hand hurts and my fingers are raw lol.
These are all big comfy guns, if that makes sense. Several reviews on all of them each as being a good shooting gun.
Im excited to have all 3 of them in front of me at once tomorrow. In the end I feel like I will get a HK VP9 to be totally honest.
Well, the HK VP9 is a dirivative of the P30, which was produced before the Walther PPQ. Of course, many Walther enthusiats will claim HK took a page from the Walther book, but I don't think so. Now the PPQ derived it's origins from the vaunted P99, which has a fairly acclaimed reputation itself. Both are great guns!
Originally Posted by tps3443
I have given consideration to the modular design of the P320, and I came to the conclusion that although neat, it isn't a system I will use much. If I want two guns I want two guns, not two in one. Say I want to carry two, one as my primary and one as a back up. It sort of defeats the intended purpose behind the modular design. But then some folks may very well like that capability, so it would be a great option for them.
I think you have a pretty good point on not shooting all the guns. All these guns are good performers, and once you settle on one, you will get used to it. I'm in the process of rebuilding my arsenal, and it can be tempting to lose focus. I want so many, but I'm going to stick to my guns and get the VP9 this go round. I may make my next purchase the P320. I just have to be patient! LOL
UPDATE. Im going to go finish up a quick job now. And, after that im heading to the gun store. They already have the guns in today. So, im going to look over the, SIG P320, HK VP9, and hold a FNS9 again so I can get a feel for the trigger, because the other one was locked at bass pro shops. But yeah, I have never been use to any hand gun. So any of these would be perfect.
But it does involve the price point to!
I can get a FNS-9mm used for $375 bucks, it has been shot 200 times. And it looks brand new! included everything from new.
Now, the HK is a bit more NEW it will run me $650.00 but it is a beast, and the best gun in this line up.
And the SIG P320 will cost me $550 to $580 for compact, or full sided.
So, obviously the FNS 9 is the best deal! And I could load down on ammo. But, if I get the HK VP9 I will be able to afford barely (1) box of 50 bullets haha. But I really don't care. It is just that sweet of a gun!
Well im going now. Thanks for all the help guys!
Actually, I would disagree that the FNS9 is the best deal. If you were comparing used to used, or new to new at that price, Yeah, I might agree. Think long term. Are you basing the fact that the FNS9 has been shot 200 times on the word of the dealer? Consider that. Good luck!
Ok! I am back home. Ive finally gotten a chance to hold all of the guns at once, and pull triggers. I held the FNS9 again, then I held the SIG P320, and then I held the H&K VP9. Then a Glock 19 yep lol I held a Glock.
The SIG P320 FULL sized is a really nice gun. High quality, Full length barrel, night sights on this one, and it just looked great! It felt good in the hand.
This was the first time I finally got to pull the trigger on all of these guns! And the FNS-9 really does not have the best trigger. Its just ok.. And much better than the GLOCK 19 anyday. The GLOCK 19's trigger got really stiff right before it would snap. I thought this would really hurt your accuracy. And im not really sure why the GLOCK 19 is so popular.. I feel the FNS is a much better fire arm, or the trigger itleast. I gave the GLOCK a chance. And at times, when I was pulling the trigger, I was thinking? I have to keep squeezing it harder? is it there yet? "HARD SPOT" SQUUUUEEEEZZZZZZZZZEEEE CLICK. And it was awkward in my hand, and clunking against my knuckles. It did not feel good in my hand. And I really tried to give the gun a chance. Because after all, they are the best selling gun around. But it just did not work out.
So, I sat the FNS down then I moved to the Sig-sauer P320. The gun was really nice, and the trigger was fantastic. Much better than the FNS-9, and the GLOCK 19.
The H&K VP9, it felt very high quality. The weight was very balanced in my hand. And then I cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. It actually clicked before I thought it would, I was so use to that dang GLOCK 19
The H&K VP9 I am holding is equipped with night sights. And they glow great. I just cupped my hand over them slightly and saw the bright green glow. This gun has the best trigger I have ever seen! Or felt! I can say this. Ive only held about 10 guns in 2 or 3 days LOL.
I was actually aiming at tiny stuff on the ceiling and pulling the trigger. The trigger is so soft, and easy to pull, it did not seem to move the gun at all. So, I am picking my VP9 up in the morning. I have settled on this gun. The grip is amazing! Me and my wife are going first thing and getting my VP9!
The HK VP9 is only $599.99 at this store W/ night sights
The SIG P320 Full sized is $550 with night sights
To be totally honest, I have eliminated the FNS-9. It is a nice pistol. But, It is not in the same class as the P320, and the HK VP9.
I would have bought the HK VP9, or the SIG P320. Both are nice. I could not tell much different in the HK VP9's trigger, and the SIG P320's trigger.
It really is hard to tell a difference in the trigger on the SIG and HK VP9. And I am really still having the hardest time on deciding with either of these guns.
But, I can tell you one thing! That HK VP9 is unbelievable! It is just so nice. And I cannot seem to get over the trigger. It is almost scary. It is soft, and a perfect audible click comes in. I was going to grab some COR BON 9mm ammo as well. Ive found some 9MM +p 115 Grain that shoots roughlys 1500fps, and 480 founds of energy. I was going to try with this, and then start moving to different brands to see what I like.
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