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    New pistol purchase

    I own a .357 magnum revolver and a couple of rifles. I have never owned a semi-auto pistol. I have shot a number of pistols and find my accuracy substantially better with them. I have been doing some research and would like to purchase a pistol in the near future. I am considering one of the following handguns in 9mm.

    Glock 17 Gen 4
    Springfield XDM
    Beretta 92fs Inox

    I am open to suggestions including other handguns not listed. Please let me know what any of you would suggest. As I indicated this will be my first pistol purchase.

    Ps. I am not afraid of the Glock 17 without an external safety because revolvers are similar in this way. You pull the trigger and the gun fires.
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    Stay away from 1911s. You will seduced by the trigger and it's magical action, the grip will make the gun feel like a natural extension of your arm and sight picture will make you think the holes in the center of the target is an optical illusion. Don't do it. Remember, I warned you first.

    The semis you shot so far are great guns too, you are definitely starting out right.

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    Thanks. I really don't like the 1911s. I am not accurate with them.

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    From the handguns you have listed, any one of them will serve you well for years to come.

    If someone happens to mention Taurus, just smile and move on.

    BTW.....I'm not quite sure why, but I've kind of come to like the polymer frames as of late. Easier on the ole wallet as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwiksdraw View Post
    Stay away from 1911s. You will seduced by the trigger and it's magical action, the grip will make the gun feel like a natural extension of your arm and sight picture will make you think the holes in the center of the target is an optical illusion. Don't do it. Remember, I warned you first.

    The semis you shot saf are great guns too, you are definitely starting out right.
    Yah and then you will further want something even better than a 1911A1 like a Sig or a CZ or a Ruger, which gives you double and single action, unlike the 1911A1 which is only single action. Those are irresistible guns, once they get you hooked.

    Before you buy a Glock or a Glock-knock-off, you should try them out. You should also try out the non-Glock's, which have external hammers on them.

    One of these two schools of pistols will likely suit you better than the other.

    For the confirmed Glock-aholics, the Glock 17 is the one that is most often recommended, for starters. 9mm is a good choice in caliber. JHP's (hollow points) are the best choice in ammo.

    If you shoot a pistol more accurately than a revolver, then you are doing something really wrong. Revolvers normally have barrels twice as long as a pistol, therefore revolvers normally fire groups half the size of pistols. Don't know what you are doing wrong, but someone needs to help you fix it.

    Of course, if your revolvers are all snubbies, then no wonder their accuracy is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    Thanks. I really don't like the 1911s. I am not accurate with them.
    Because I find that to be an interesting statement, I'd like you to explain further, if you don't mind.

    You say, about the 1911 platform, "I am not accurate with them."
    Does that mean:
    That you cannot keep all of your shots in a relatively small area on the target?
    That you can keep your shots in a small area, but can't hit the center/vitals of the target?
    That you cannot consistently hit the target at all?
    Or is it something else? (Please explain in as much detail as you can.)

    Thanks!

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    4" barrel on the revolver. I don't care for the sights. I can place 7 rounds on the target at 20 feet or so but the grouping is not tight.

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    I can hit the target at 15 feet. There is no real grouping on multiple shots, just hits somewhere on the target. It might be the 1911 I shot was not in good shape because the owner of it did worse than I did and he is an ex-marine that has experience with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Because I find that to be an interesting statement, I'd like you to explain further, if you don't mind.

    You say, about the 1911 platform, "I am not accurate with them."
    Does that mean:
    • That you cannot keep all of your shots in a relatively small area on the target?
    • That you can keep your shots in a small area, but can't hit the center/vitals of the target?
    • That you cannot consistently hit the target at all?
    • Or is it something else? (Please explain in as much detail as you can.)

    Thanks!


    Maybe the OP is a vet, and old enough to have shot the Colt 1911's in the military.

    The ones I shot were so loose, they literally rattled when you ran.

    That was my first experience with a Colt 1911. Justified or not, it took me a while to get past that and look at a 1911 to buy once I got out of the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    I can hit the target at 15 feet. There is no real grouping on multiple shots, just hits somewhere on the target. It might be the 1911 I shot was not in good shape because the owner of it did worse than I did and he is an ex-marine that has experience with them.
    Yes, it might be the gun. Sounds like a burned out barrel to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    4" barrel on the revolver. I don't care for the sights. I can place 7 rounds on the target at 20 feet or so but the grouping is not tight.
    Then maybe it's the sights. Accuracy is normally determined by barrel length and trigger pull. Longer barrel and softer trigger equals greater accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    I own a .357 magnum revolver and a couple of rifles. I have never owned a semi-auto pistol. I have shot a number of pistols and find my accuracy substantially better with them. I have been doing some research and would like to purchase a pistol in the near future. I am considering one of the following handguns in 9mm.

    Glock 17 Gen 4
    Springfield XDM
    Beretta 92fs Inox

    I am open to suggestions including other handguns not listed. Please let me know what any of you would suggest. As I indicated this will be my first pistol purchase.

    Ps. I am not afraid of the Glock 17 without an external safety because revolvers are similar in this way. You pull the trigger and the gun fires.
    Nothing wrong with either of the three. It comes down to which one you would prefer, after you shoot each one to see how you like them. Personally, I'm partial to Berettas, but I am also a little bias about that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Because I find that to be an interesting statement, I'd like you to explain further, if you don't mind.

    You say, about the 1911 platform, "I am not accurate with them."
    Does that mean:
    • That you cannot keep all of your shots in a relatively small area on the target?
    • That you can keep your shots in a small area, but can't hit the center/vitals of the target?
    • That you cannot consistently hit the target at all?
    • Or is it something else? (Please explain in as much detail as you can.)

    Thanks!
    Mr Hicks, allow me to introduce to you Mr Steve.

    He is one of our genius professorial contributors. He actually knows more than I do about guns and history -- which is extremely difficult to achieve!

    He will take good care of you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamSmith View Post
    ...[I]f your revolvers are all snubbies, then no wonder their accuracy is crap.
    Don't ever go up against my wife, Jean. Her accuracy with her 2"-barrel, .38 Special, Airweight Bodyguard is quite acceptable.
    It's not her favorite pistol. She finds it uncomfortable to shoot. But she easily makes quick center-of-mass and head shots out to about 15 yards.

    In the case of modern revolvers and semi-autos, a short barrel is no impediment to accuracy.
    However, a short barrel frequently causes unpracticed shooters to feel discomfort and to flinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Don't ever go up against my wife, Jean. Her accuracy with her 2"-barrel, .38 Special, Airweight Bodyguard is quite acceptable.
    It's not her favorite pistol. She finds it uncomfortable to shoot. But she easily makes quick center-of-mass and head shots out to about 15 yards.

    In the case of modern revolvers and semi-autos, a short barrel is no impediment to accuracy.
    However, a short barrel frequently causes unpracticed shooters to feel discomfort and to flinch.
    Not only that, but the 7th Commandment, by Moses, in the Bible, says to stay away from other guys' wives as well !!!

    And Jesus said don't even think about it.


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    I can hit the target center mass but no groupings. The hits are from the upper chest to the groin on a silhouette. I really don't like the sights on my revolver. When I shoot rifles the groupings are tight with iron sights. I know they are different but I would like to see some form of grouping with a handgun.

    I have shot a couple of 9mm handguns and I am getting decent groupings. I aim for the chest there is a hole there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    I can hit the target center mass but no groupings. The hits are from the upper chest to the groin on a silhouette. I really don't like the sights on my revolver. When I shoot rifles the groupings are tight with iron sights. I know they are different but I would like to see some form of grouping with a handgun.

    I have shot a couple of 9mm handguns and I am getting decent groupings. I aim for the chest there is a hole there.
    When you compare guns, you need to sandbag them at the range. Then you need to watch your sight picture and be careful about your trigger squeeze.

    Firing off-hand tells you nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhicks999 View Post
    I can hit the target center mass but no groupings. The hits are from the upper chest to the groin on a silhouette...
    Tell me your handedness: Right or left?

    Tell me the direction of the hits-spread: Center upper chest down toward the lower left?

    (The problem is your pistol-shooting technique, not the gun.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    If someone happens to mention Taurus, just smile and move on.
    I have a Taurus PT92 and a Beretta 96FS. The Taurus is just as dependable as the Beretta from what I've been able to determine. I also own a PT111, PT140, and PT145 and have never had a problem with any of them. The only complaints that I had on those last three were that mags were not as readily available (i.e. less competition = higher prices).

    I have also had good luck with my Para Ordnance P14.45.

    The normal carry condition for a Glock is Condition-0. Some people will *claim* that it is Condtion-1, but they are mistakenly considering the split trigger a "safety". Sure, that's the same condition level as a revolver, but the trigger pull is much lighter. If you decide to carry a Glock, it is important to have a good holster that fully covers the trigger so that it is less likely that you will get an AD. Personally, I'm not sure that I would recommend a Glock as a person's first semi-auto even though I own a few Glocks. Now, you *can* increase the Glock's (5.5 lb) trigger pull with the NY1 (8 lb) or NY2 (12 lb) triggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamDahl View Post
    I have a Taurus PT92 and a Beretta 96FS. The Taurus is just as dependable as the Beretta from what I've been able to determine. I also own a PT111, PT140, and PT145 and have never had a problem with any of them. The only complaints that I had on those last three were that mags were not as readily available (i.e. less competition = higher prices).

    I have also had good luck with my Para Ordnance P14.45.

    The normal carry condition for a Glock is Condition-0. Some people will *claim* that it is Condtion-1, but they are mistakenly considering the split trigger a "safety". Sure, that's the same condition level as a revolver, but the trigger pull is much lighter. If you decide to carry a Glock, it is important to have a good holster that fully covers the trigger so that it is less likely that you will get an AD. Personally, I'm not sure that I would recommend a Glock as a person's first semi-auto even though I own a few Glocks. Now, you *can* increase the Glock's (5.5 lb) trigger pull with the NY1 (8 lb) or NY2 (12 lb) triggers.

    We're all entitled to our opinions.

    It's just that some are just a wee bit crazier than others.............

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