lov my 1911 but my 9 mm has a 17 round mag. My buddie say they prefer their 1911 45 for protection, but come on man 8 or 9 shot compare to 17. I just think of the NRA mag ad where B G break in to a house owner get his gun but run out of ammo! What do you think?
My CZ 97B 45 ACP holds 10 + 1.
That's equivalent to 22 rounds of 9mm.
My SIG P226 9mm TAC-OPS holds 20 rds.
There used to be an older saying,you can use 1 45,2 40s or 3 or more 9s to get the job done,I always thought it was funny.
When it comes down to it there isn't such a large difference between them today,but I still like the bigger hole theory.Where a 9 may slip by an artery a 45 will cut it,considering they both hit the same centerline.I haven't followed exterior ballistics for quite a while to see how permanent and temporary wound channels differ now,but I'll stay with my good 45s.It's easier to hide an 8 round gun with spare mags than a large gripframe with up to 20 rounds in it.I wouldn't feel bad for having 12 45s in my HK compared to 15 9s in my Beretta.
On the other hand, it's pretty damned optimistic to think that you'll still be functional (or alive) after firing off 8 or 9 ineffectual rounds! By the way, are you sure that was an, 'ad' that you read? Sounds more to me like something from the American Rifleman's, 'The Armed Citizen' column.
The reason, 'Why' I carry a high capacity 45 ACP pistol is because I worry about the possibility of having to face more than just one or two opponents. Generally speaking, it's NOT how many rounds you can stuff into a pistol that's going to make a (life saving) difference; instead, it's what you're able to do with the first three shots that you fire. If you're still standing, afterwards, then your chances of surviving the incident are greatly improved! Besides semi-auto reloads don't take all that long.
I have to agree with every one 9 or 45 we all have to go to the range, if I do that I will not have to worry about how many shots I have it only takes one to do the job Glock Doctor you are right it wasn't a NRA Ad but it did hit the spot. thanks for all yours input be safe Hopeless
Never dismiss capacity or over estimate potential of caliber.
Both can and will disappoint at times, and it'll always be at the worst time.
Just when you think you have it all figured out, it turns out otherwise.
It all comes down to shot placement, hitting it consistenly with the largest caliber that your comfortable shooting will save your day. Throwing lead won't do a damn bit of good it it misses it's mark. I perfer revolvers and if just around the small town i live in I carry a S&W 642 Airweight,when I go to Everett, Seattle, Tacoma or Olympia I'll carry my Colt 1911 and my 642 just in case, my "New York Reload". I try to get out shooting a least once a week to keep in shooting shape. If I can't hit my point of aim with a certain gun it goes down the road and gets replaced with one that I can shoot and hit where I shoot at. Shot placement is your best friend when it comes to saving your a$$ in a self-defense situation.
aim small, miss small
I like the SAR K2 45. 14+1 of 45 ACP and it fits me.
Both theories have their merits. I am happy with either one. 8+1 in a 45acp will 95% of the time be more than enough rounds. The FBI says that average gunfight is 4 rounds with 2 being from each person. That being said you should be able to repel at least 3 people with 9 rounds and I factored one rounds not hitting the mark because of stress. That being said the average Home Invasion is 3 people so think about which is better for you. I switch up depending on my mood so tonight its the M&P 9mm with 17rds with a Glock 22 .40 S&W for backup and my last line of defense is a 12 gauge with #4 Buckshot in the closet and if I need more that that then I am over my head and most likely won't survive the onslaught.
Just so people know: According to author Dave Spaulding (Whom I tend to completely believe.) the popularly reported AND widely believed FBI police gunfight statistics are ....... WRONG!
The oft repeated, '3 shots, at and inside 3 feet, in less than 3 seconds' is actually disinformation. Spaulding doesn't assert that this doesn't happen; instead he says his own research indicates:
THE 3 x 3 x 3 STATICS ARE PERTINENT TO CQB PISTOL GUNFIGHTS THAT POLICE OFFICERS TEND TO LOSE - LOSE!
The largely unknown, but correct, statistics for CQB pistol gunfights (The gunfights that police officers tend to win.) reflect: greater distances, longer times; and - the most important factor of all - the (albeit hastily imagined) formulation of some sort of self-defense strategy or survival plan.
NOTE: Apparently things are changing. Shaolin, I'd appreciate you directing my attention to a relevant FBI document that states, '2 shots, each, being exchanged between 2 people' as the new CQB pistol gunfight norm. Exactly what gunfights are these; and is the typical exchange distance also given?
Big and Slow and 7-8 rounds.
Small and Fast and 15-16 rounds.
The debate will never end.
My personal opinion, which has no factual data to back it up,
is that all the emphasis on developing "Personal Defense Hollowpoints"
has tilted the field a bit in favor of "Small, But More Rounds"
compared having only the long-ago FMJ stuff.
And someone is going to respond with "Percentage Area" vs. "Diameter".
Yep, I've laid in a supply of Orville's best.
My Para 14-45 does the job. 14 +1 in the chamber of hard hitting 45's. Gotta love it.
My LC9 holds 8, my 642 holds 5. More than 2 bad guys is bad news unless you have an M16 or a Thompson. Hit what you shoot at and hope for the best. Saw a T-shirt, Stay calm and return fire. I have returned fire several times, NOTHING calm about it, was using 100 rd belts of .50, don't work that way with a handgun in da hood.