Been looking at the Shield. Then then XDS. Now I just read about the coming R51. Anyone own a 'modern' Remington pistol? Thoughts? Will be interesting to check out an R51 in person (if I can find a Rem dealer near by).
Yeah....about that. ..Reading this thread seems to indicate that no one should start up a new company and build a new gun because nobody will buy them. And a gun company shouldn't introduce any new products because no one will buy them. Gun owners don't want innovation or change, they like keep things they they've always been. That ain't us, is it?
If people don't buy the first run, there won't be a second run. But then you say a lot of first time gun owners will buy it. Do you really want first timers evaluating a new design? Wouldn't experience shooters over all offer much better recommendations and suggestions?
Although recently we saw recalls from Springfield, Ruger and Caracal this is still an uncommon thing. Given these guns were introduced prior to and during this unending gun scare with most of the manufacturing of these new designs done throughout the panic, it's no wonder we didn't see more things go wrong.
Remington is a stand up company with an excellent reputation, I can't see buying a first run model as a risk. The worse case scenario may be an inconvenience if there is a problem with the design or production. You shouldn't buy a gun just for the gun, the company should instill some confidence whether it be well established or even a start up. Besides, Remington has publicly started they want to be known in the future as a handgun company. It would be silly for them to put it all risk with a flawed and faulty design so early in their long term plan. I bet they did their homework on this one.
Long live American Free Enterprise!
Today Remington announced that R51 pistols that are out there can be sent back for a replacement from new production slated to start in a couple of months.
The R51, according to Remington, will enter production again in October. Those who have an R51 can send it back to Remington and will be supplied with a new R51, two magazines and a Pelican case for their trouble.
The full text of Remington's announcement is as follows:
"Earlier this year, we launched the innovative R51 subcompact pistol to critical acclaim. During testing, numerous experts found the pistol to function flawlessly. In fact, they found it to have lower felt recoil, lower muzzle rise and better accuracy and concealability than other products in its class.
However, after initial commercial sales, our loyal customers notified us that some R51 pistols had performance issues. We immediately ceased production to re-test the product. While we determined the pistols were safe, certain units did not meet Remington's performance criteria. The performance problems resulted from complications during our transition from prototype to mass production. These problems have been identified and solutions are being implemented, with an expected production restart in October.
Anyone who purchased an R51 may return it and receive a new R51 pistol, along with two additional magazines and a custom Pelican case, by calling Remington at (800) 243-9700.
The new R51 will be of the same exceptional quality as our test pistols, which performed flawlessly.
We appreciate your patience and support."
The grip of the avg 1911 is approximately 1.27" and that of the Glock is 1.18". How is it a "wide" grip pistol? Unless you're comparing the 1911 to the G21, which does have a wider grip than the G17, but even it is only 1.27" wide. Granted, both are large pistols, and without grips, the 1911 is something like 0.75" wide, but last time I checked, grips come standard. That said, feel is different per person, but just curios.I'm going to look at one when they hit the stores. Remington has a good reputation for quality so far; at least by me.
The gun I carry everywhere is about 7 inches long and 5 inches high (just checked), so the size doesn't bother me. With an alloy frame, I think the weight should be okay. (I don't like all steel 'small' guns, they feel like a big fishing weight in my pocket.) However, I need to see how the grip fits my hand and fingers for 'girth'. I can handle a Government Model one handed, but a Glock 17 feels like I have a tenuous grip on a 2x2. I just don't feel comfortable shooting that 'wide' a pistol one handed.
Two other matters: Does the grip safety block the sear from disengaging or simply block the trigger? And last but not least, when will it be available in either .40 S&W or .45 ACP? I tend to prefer larger calibers.
The Glock 21 does, yes. If the 17 model does, it would be minimal, but I'm pretty sure he was comparing the 21 to the 1911, and I agree, it is larger.The Glock has a larger grip circumference.