View Poll Results: What are the pros using?

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  • Springfield XD/HS 2000

    26 3.41%
  • Glock

    397 52.10%
  • Beretta

    126 16.54%
  • Walther

    8 1.05%
  • H&K

    22 2.89%
  • Sig Sauer

    124 16.27%
  • Colt 1911 & Copies

    29 3.81%
  • Others (Name them)

    30 3.94%
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    Which pistol is found more in the hands of Law Enforcement & the Military

    LE and the military means domestic and international LE and military services. This is NOT about which is better, or which YOU like better. Use your research skills if you don't know....the answers are readily available from the web.
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    Military is obviously the Beretta. Locally(and elsewhere), the Beretta is pretty frequent with most police departments too. So if I had to count US Armed Forces AND LE Beretta would have to win, obviously. The inclusion of military makes Beretta the winner. H&K has a pretty strong precense among SOCOM(Mk23 ring a bell?).
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    Not sure you need a poll for this, as you said. It's not opinion, it's empirical fact. Glock has something like 70% of the US LE market, last I saw. I know that all the orders Galco gets from UK cops are also for Glocks. Galco sells more Glock holsters than anything. In fact, if you left off 1911s and J-frame Smiths, I think we'd literally sell more Glock holsters than all other guns combined.

    Military contracts are more political - witness the current US service pistol. I don't think SOCOM has more than a few Mk. 23s in inventory, by the way, and every single high-speed guy I've ever talked to (including SF, USMC Force Recon, Pathfinder, Ranger) has preferred the 1911 or the M9 - if he gave a crap about pistols at all. The market for the Mk. 23 is so tiny Galco doesn't even bother to make holsters for it.

    I'm not sure either group can be classified generally as "pros" (except that some of them carry guns in the course of getting paid). Most cops I see at the range are pretty average shooters, though their gunhandling is usually safer than Joe Sixpack's. Most soldiers are abysmal shots, and the Big Army is more afraid of its own weapons than the enemy, anyway. Marines are generally better rifle shots, but pistol training is sparse and pretty lousy in the military.
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    I believe that is correct, Glock has 60-70% of the LE market. Locally, the large city PD is carrying S&W in both 9mm and 45. The new recruits are coming out onto the streets with the M&P40. The suburban departments I see vary from Glock, Beretta, Sig and Smith.

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    World wide. Glock I would say hands down.

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    Can not reply I am not working for a police dept.

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    I have 2 LEO friends that are carrying a Glock and a Beretta 96D. Not sure about anywhere else, but in my area it's Glock and Beretta.
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    When I see police in various cities I always look to see what they are carrying. I seem to see Glock the most. Certainly not a scientific study on my part but just an observation.

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    Id also have to agree with Glock being the most widely used.


    And I dunno about anyone else, but Ive noticed alot of officers carrying Sigs aswell, more specifically P229's.

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    worldwide, probably the CZ models, used a lot in Europe, much more than Glocks......

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    Up here almost all the SO uses 1911's.

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    Down here most city PD carry Glocks. Texas DPS carries Sigs. Deputies and Constables carry mostly 1911s. Like the others, just an observation.
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    Glock is GOD! *I could be wrong.*

    I know of two counties in the Atlanta area that carry glock. I don’t know about the rest. I stay away from there as much as possible. Ga. DNR and GBI do too as far as I know.

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    Here in Tuscaloosa, AL, the city issues Sig 220 or 229.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzbuilder View Post
    Here in Tuscaloosa, AL, the city issues Sig 220 or 229.
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    Around here it is Glocks used by more LE departments.

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    I was looking through one of my gun mags and came upon a CZ ad that claimed that their guns were the most widely used by police/military/security worldwide...

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    Talking Which pistol is found in the Hands of L E and Military

    For Law Enforcement which out numbers the Military I believe that it is the Glock. My department issues the Sig Pro 2340 DAO in 357 Sig. The Sig 226 In 9mm +P+ is issued by an adjoining town while the bigger town north of us issues 40 S&W Glocks. The State Police issue 4506 Smith & Wessons in .45 acp. Several posters Mentioned PROs but I do not feel that most Police officers considers themselves Gun Professionals unless they are on SWAT or SERT Teams or Attached to the Firearms Training function. For the Line Officer the Firearm is just a thing he carries just in case. I have told by officers that a good pen is more important to them than their duty weapon.
    The Glock has a big following as it is easy to carry and simple to use and reliable even following missuse. Many of the Gun Pros do us the 1911 Colt design.

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    Here in Northern Florida they use Glocks. I think .40's, but they are big on their Glocks. LE further west in Florida seem to use Berettas, from all the fucking cops that pulled me over that way. In the tiny town in Wisconsin I used to live in, they carried Smith .40 automatics. Can't remember what model, 4506 or something like that. They were fullsize, not compacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reconNinja View Post
    ... from all the fucking cops that pulled me over that way.
    Is this something that happens often? That middle or left pedal is for slowing down. My sister drives a Posche in Florida. She's almost lost her liscence who knows how many times.

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    All of the LEOs around Kansas and Kansas City, MO that I've seen have Glocks. Whenever we fly into little po-dunk towns, LEOs often stop by the plane to chat and every one has had a Glock. Even the ambulance drivers/security guards at the local hospital in Wichita have Glocks, although one older guy has a larger revolver.

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    Orlando PD Glock
    Orange Cty Sher. Glock
    Seminole Cty Sher. Glock

    The US Military Beretta

    It would be interesting to know what the actul number of Berettas in service is, vs the number of Glocks.

    I'm guessing there are more cops than foot soldiers with a US flag on their shoulder. And with 70+% of departments issuing Glocks... it would be a pretty tight race.

    Internationally???? who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    I'm guessing there are more cops than foot soldiers with a US flag on their shoulder. And with 70+% of departments issuing Glocks... it would be a pretty tight race.
    The initial M9 contract called for, I believe, 320,000 pistols for all services. There have been some follow-on purchases of at least 10,000 each. Of course, a lot of these guns are held in the big TRADOC posts where the Army supposedly conducts pistol "training," and aren't issued to any particular warfighter.

    I see lots of M9s here, but mainly they are secondary weapons. However, all MP and most SECFOR units issue all their soldiers pistols, invariably the M9.

    The M9 works fine, being robust and reliable, but it certainly wasn't designed by a shooter. But the military has a history of buying guns not completely suitable to its actual needs. Look at the M16A2.
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    Sigs here mostly

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    austria (GLOCK)sold 288,132 pistols in 2005
    that is more than S&W and Ruger pistols COMBINED
    data from "shooting industry"

    S&W 158,601
    ruger 125,057

    also Glock has a marketing program for LE - after 3 years turn it in for $300and get a new Glock for the difference

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