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      actually forgive me for making some assumptions ....

      which make and model did you carry during your last combat assignment?

      ok, during your last non combat deployment?

      ok during your last stateside posting?

      perhaps during your basic training?

      rotc in college maybe?

      any kind of military service at all?

      maybe my assumptions were a little closer to home than i thought.

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      around here it's glock and sig mostly glock tho

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      Here is what you all need to read, So everyone can see. There is many pistols,And rifles used. They all have rolls to play.
      List of individual weapons of the U.S. Armed Forces.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces

      And the ones that are in the service and The ones that (Was) Know this. If they like a 1911 over the 92fs. Can they use the one they won't ?. For the ones that don't know. (Read up/Keep up)

      And look at the sig, US. was going with that one. But the price was to high. 92fs was the low price for are military to buy.
      They was going for the sig,But the bid was to high, So next was beretta was the lower bid.

      Read read read read,Keep up with the life of shooting, Started back in 1450BC. That is how old the spots is.

      How many great pistols can we all buy in the US. Their are so many to love.

      Thank you Ted, For what you said on here. Just got me thinking about my time in the service. Your so right about what you said. It as every thing to do with this post.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
      a combat weapon needs to work frozen, wet, muddy, gritty, sandy, hot and bloody. anyone whose azz depends on the reliability of a weapon would gladly keep the weight for toughness. i am sure that your experience in these matters consists of the finest reading materials on the market. perhaps you even played the best video games around, maybe even lead an elite team of men in online combat role playing scenarios but until you get out in the sh!t yourself and bet your life on your weapon, your opinion means the same as the desk flying admiral or the accountant general ..... nothing.
      Dude a Glock can be tortured massively and still function, you can drop it in sand and dirt or mud and its going to fire still. These M9s do have jamming issues after a certain ammo count, not to mention non-beretta mags issued by the gov't.

      To be honest there are many different firearms our Armed Services could issue to our soldiers that would be FAR better than the M9, they choose M9 beretta because its CHEAP

      and you want to talk about lousy main weapons the AK is superior to the M4 as well but they still use the M4 in the military as well

      The wars the American Military fight are all about money and it shows through various avenues

      Im not the only one who thinks the m9 is a lousy sidearm for soldiers,
      Pt. 1 " Why Glock?" - YouTube

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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      Dude a Glock can be tortured massively and still function, you can drop it in sand and dirt or mud and its going to fire still. These M9s do have jamming issues after a certain ammo count, not to mention non-beretta mags issued by the gov't.

      To be honest there are many different firearms our Armed Services could issue to our soldiers that would be FAR better than the M9, they choose M9 beretta because its CHEAP

      and you want to talk about lousy main weapons the AK is superior to the M4 as well but they still use the M4 in the military as well

      The wars the American Military fight are all about money and it shows through various avenues

      Im not the only one who thinks the m9 is a lousy sidearm for soldiers,
      Pt. 1 " Why Glock?" - YouTube
      i now withdraw all my assumptions, your vast military experience coupled with your youtube link have shown me the light.....

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      Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
      i now withdraw all my assumptions, your vast military experience coupled with your youtube link have shown me the light.....
      Glad I changed your mind

      But I will never join the Armed forces, I can't shoot somebody based on war propaganda...

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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      Glad I changed your mind

      But I will never join the Armed forces, I can't shoot somebody based on war propaganda...
      yes, of course, i bow to your superior feelings and unwavering beliefs based on others experiences

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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      But I will never join the Armed forces, I can't shoot somebody based on war propaganda...
      A very naive and immature sounding statement. All wars have propaganda, good, bad or indifferent. Would you say that WW2 was unjust? Propaganda was a tool used by all players.
      It's irrelevant anyway. You shoot someone because they will shoot you & yours if you give them the chance. Press releases from the white house are irrelevant when your deployed.

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      @ Overkill0084

      Amen to that .. very naive indeed.

      Thank God there are very smart & brave people that fight for his right to say such things.

      There are lot's of country's that you can't say that in.

      IMHO


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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      Dude a Glock can be tortured massively and still function, you can drop it in sand and dirt or mud and its going to fire still. These M9s do have jamming issues after a certain ammo count, not to mention non-beretta mags issued by the gov't.

      To be honest there are many different firearms our Armed Services could issue to our soldiers that would be FAR better than the M9, they choose M9 beretta because its CHEAP

      and you want to talk about lousy main weapons the AK is superior to the M4 as well but they still use the M4 in the military as well

      The wars the American Military fight are all about money and it shows through various avenues

      Im not the only one who thinks the m9 is a lousy sidearm for soldiers,
      Pt. 1 " Why Glock?" - YouTube
      The U.S. military will never adopt Glock as the main combat firearm due to the weapon not having an external safety among other issues. If they did there would be so many "Glock Legged Soldiers" in the infirmery the Army wouldn't have enough enlisted personnel in case of battle. On a brighter note the M9 is not a small firearm nor the lightest, lighter than a Sig 226, but it's a durable reliable firearm that has proven itself in battle. Andy Brown took out a lunatic with an Ak-47 loaded with a drum magazine with a 70 yard headshot from his M9. I kinda like that story and if the U.S. Military decides to retire the M9, I would venture the PX4 Storm would be a better choice over the Glock as an official U.S. Military sidearm. I've heard some initial tests were done with the Storm and it passed with flying colors, plus the storm has a more durable action over the Glock. You should trade in your Glock and get one, you'll like it, plus it's safer and it doesn't feel like your shooting a carpenters staple gun.

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      Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
      I kinda like that story and if the U.S. Military decides to retire the M9, I would venture the PX4 Storm would be a better choice over the Glock as an official U.S. Military sidearm. I've heard some initial tests were done with the Storm and it passed with flying colors, plus the storm has a more durable action over the Glock. You should trade in your Glock and get one, you'll like it,
      I did actually get one alongside my glock, they are equal in accuracy, and yes I do agree, the Military should opt for the Px4 Storm to all soldiers, the saftey is awesome

      Im still going for the glock at night for home defense tho just for the fact that I kno when i rack the slide theres nothing preventing me from firing the weapon

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      Quote Originally Posted by Overkill0084 View Post
      A very naive and immature sounding statement. All wars have propaganda, good, bad or indifferent. Would you say that WW2 was unjust? Propaganda was a tool used by all players.
      It's irrelevant anyway. You shoot someone because they will shoot you & yours if you give them the chance. Press releases from the white house are irrelevant when your deployed.
      Afgahnastan (bad spelling don't care), Iraq, soon maybe Iran, then what, the rest of the middle eastern countries???

      Are we shooting terrorists or people that are simply pissed off we have invaded their country? I'm not sure the U.S. military actually knows. I don't believe the terrorists are as organized as CNN leads us to believe.

      If someone were to invade the USA, I would shoot them. I would be a "terrorist" to them wouldn't I.

      I HIGHLY RESPECT the people in the military and america is okay aside politics but I wish we could bring the boys home because these wars are ridiculous and the war on terrorism is as feudal as the war on drugs

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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      Afgahnastan (bad spelling don't care), Iraq, soon maybe Iran, then what, the rest of the middle eastern countries???

      Are we shooting terrorists or people that are simply pissed off we have invaded their country? I'm not sure the U.S. military actually knows. I don't believe the terrorists are as organized as CNN leads us to believe.

      If someone were to invade the USA, I would shoot them. I would be a "terrorist" to them wouldn't I.

      I HIGHLY RESPECT the people in the military and america is okay aside politics but I wish we could bring the boys home because these wars are ridiculous and the war on terrorism is as feudal as the war on drugs
      Whether anyone likes to admit it, war is simply a political tool. If you disagree with the politics that led to a particular war, thats fine. But all wars are not created equal. At what point does a war become "justified?" People who were sheltered and trained by afghanistan or it's proxys blew up some buildings and killed 3000ish americans some years back. Does that not meet the threshold of justification? If not, then what? If you don't engage the source of the attackers then you're simply treating a symptom.
      FWIW, I was serving in the USAF on 9/11/01. So I think I can say I had a dog in the fight.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Overkill0084 View Post
      People who were sheltered and trained by afghanistan or it's proxys blew up some buildings and killed 3000ish americans some years back. Does that not meet the threshold of justification? If not, then what? If you don't engage the source of the attackers then you're simply treating a symptom.
      if you want to get the people responsible for 9/11, you don't have to fly overseas to look for them. But thats all I will say about that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
      if you want to get the people responsible for 9/11, you don't have to fly overseas to look for them. But thats all I will say about that.
      seriously? this is what you really believe?

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      Quote Originally Posted by manta View Post
      yes but glocks are known for having poor case support , compared with other semi autos , thats why you can buy barrels with better support from other sources. On a steel gun you can get away with the mag being blown out , on plastic guns the gun tends to be destroyed.

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      I wish my name was on here.Citizens' Military Pistol Trophy Look down and see (In Red) the top shooter. And then see how many years it was to take it from the old top shooter.

      This is why I love the sport of shooting.Is to say on top.

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      Why do you want to know? Plan on marketing something to them?
      Why they chose a particular gun may or may not pertain to why you would pick a particular gun.
      My choices over the years have had nothing to do with what others have chosen. For example, teh 223 for NATO and most of the world's army was chosen because it wasn't as lethal as other choices.
      The 9mm is often chosen for LE because of it's lesser recoil than other calibers so more folks can use it and use it accurately. The 40 was developed because the 9 wasn't seen as having sufficient stopping power. The US military switched from 45 to 9...not sure why but it wasn't for increased stopping power.
      I know some brands have not been chosen for such reasons as country of manufacture, manufacturer support, etc. Doesn't mean they weren't better guns for the intended purpose.
      Locally the few officers I've spoken with usually have choices - the dept picks the caliber and the officer chooses what gun, perhaps with some limitations. Some like glock, some S&W and some I know chose SA XD's. Some probably prefer revolvers.

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