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      137 16.27%
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      23 2.73%
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      Quote Originally Posted by rasgun
      Secret Service issues a Sig 226 in .357 sig
      I believe this is incorrect. The Secret Service uses the Sig Sauer P229 chambered in .357SIG. At least that is the case for their Special Agents last I knew.

      Among the federal agencies, Glock, Sig Sauer, and Heckler und Koch seem to be the most common sidearms. Among state and local departments, Glock seems to be the most used sidearm. When I was a firearms instructor at a state academy, I saw approximately 65-75% Glocks used by the basic students. For smaller departments and individual officers buying their own duty weapons, it is hard to beat $400 or less for a brand new Glock. None of the other companies offer that type of discount to law enforcement as far as I know.

      The most popular sidearm I saw was the Glock model 22. The Sig Sauer P229 in .40S&W was also widely used. All the H&K USPs I ever saw used by law enforcement officers all had some minor problem. Several of them would not lock the slide back on an empty magazine, others had problems with jamming when they became dirty. I am sure they are nice weapons, but I saw too many problems with them to completely trust them. Same with the Sig Sauers. Most ran great but several had problems when they were shot a lot without getting cleaned.

      My partner that I attended FI school with shot a Sig P229 in .40 and I shot a Glock 22 as did most of the students. My partner had so many problems with his Sig (having to run to the back of the line to clean it all the time) that he ordered a Glock 22 the day we got home.

      I am not bashing H&K or Sigs, but I have seen so many 1000s of rounds shot by so many different people with many different guns and Glock is the only brand that I never saw a problem with. O.K. I saw one guy rip the front sight off (standard plastic sight) during a tactical reload.

      I don't recall everf seeing any problems with the Beretta 92FS either. I would have been very comfortable using one as a duty weapon.

      I would carry H&K, Sig, Beretta, and some Smith & Wessons if I had to, but as long as I have a choice, I would always choose a Glock when picking a semi-auto duty weapon.

      Anyway, sorry this got a little longwinded.

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      Most numbers made for military & police. Browning HP (aka P35). Over 70 years of continuous worldwide service.

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      Sig 220's around these parts for police.

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      here in memphis its sig and glock

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      Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post

      I'm almost already thinking about my next 220 or Sig 1911. Got Sig-itis bad now.
      Heh..that's a pretty good problem to have..there's a lot to like about em

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      homeland security here also use Sig .357

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      glock here

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      Berreta for military.. its not the best gun that they are after... its the lowest bidder!!

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      The biggest Police Dept on NC has 1,627 sworn officers and they carry Smith & Wesson M&P fullsize.

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      Greene County NC standard issue is Glock 9mm but most csrry their own .40's. When it time to buy new guns they will be taking sealed bids and lowest bidder wins.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
      Tuscaloosa!!! You Dreamland BBQ rib eater!!!!!!!!

      MMMMMmmmmmmm...BBQ RIBS MMMMMmmmmmmmm

      here in Salem NH the locals HAVE NO CHOICE...the town makes them carry Glocks... but 99.7% like XD s better

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      Glocks for the LEO'S where I work 40 S&W

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      Quote Originally Posted by reconNinja View Post
      Here in Northern Florida they use Glocks. I think .40's, but they are big on their Glocks. LE further west in Florida seem to use Berettas, from all the fucking cops that pulled me over that way. In the tiny town in Wisconsin I used to live in, they carried Smith .40 automatics. Can't remember what model, 4506 or something like that. They were fullsize, not compacts.
      With an attitude like that I can see why us "Fucking Cops" in west Florida would burn paper on you.

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      Up here in Northern MA I've seen mostly Sig's and Beretta's. When I was in the gun shop a few weeks ago I asked an officer who was in there and he said he was carrying a P226 in a 40. My guess as to the Beretta's would be that departments picked them up after the military did, the stigma of being a military gun probably lent it to being favored.

      I'd like to hear more about the Mark 23 HK though. I've read up on it in the past and it seems like the ultimate in handguns. Of course, I've never fired one and at the price of upwards of $2,000 I doubt I ever will, they also seem to be pretty rare.

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      Quote Originally Posted by KingAirDriver View Post
      All of the LEOs around Kansas and Kansas City, MO that I've seen have Glocks. Whenever we fly into little po-dunk towns, LEOs often stop by the plane to chat and every one has had a Glock. Even the ambulance drivers/security guards at the local hospital in Wichita have Glocks, although one older guy has a larger revolver.
      Whoa!!! Your Ambulance Drivers carry guns? It has been a while since I was in Wichita, is it that bad?!?

      KL

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      I suspect that Glock "owns" the "Pro" market (I am using the term loosely). The military has a lot of M9s, but not every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine is issued a sidearm. The largest portion of GIs (no matter what service) carry a rifle. My unit had 25 M-16A2's assigned to it, but we had only two M9s. The SFC, and the LT were the only ones that got a sidearm (or even got to qualify). The military has a large number of M9's, a few SIG 228's (aka M11), a few 1911A1's, a few Ruger's (P89 I think, USA Material Command, and USA Trans. Comm.), and even fewer still MK23's. NYPD alone has appx. 38,000 officers, a large number of those officers carry a Glock. Our local PD issues the Glock 22, my office is deputy preference. I have not taken a poll, but I did an informal count this evening. Glock holds down about 50%, 1911a1 holds down appx. 30%, Beretta has probably 10%, with 5% going to Sig, the rest are S&W, H&K, one Kahr, and one guy with a Browning HP. I may be missing something, but Glock seems to have the market well in hand. S&W seem to be making inroads with the M&P.

      KL

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      Bean counters often have a say in what weapon officers carry. You carry what the department issues. If you think that all LEO's are into guns as much as the people on this forum you would be mistaken. Many could give a rip.

      Now you might find it interesting what is carried when politics and department mandates don't apply. For officers who are into their guns some would still pick the Glock for it's dependability but others might just pick a slicked up 1911. I know a few who have.

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      Bangers

      Have to laugh. Early 70's my partner and I were real outsiders because we carried S&W 39's in 9mm. Next city the chief hated 39's and worked to have them replaced with S&W 19's. Half the story was to have same ammo as every other cop.
      Now my old PD carries just about everything except a revolver. 9's, 40's, 45's. Can't find a Mod 39 anywhere. Like a 1911 in 45 myself but a brother carries a S&W in 10mm. Hard to find any ammo in 10mm so we reload.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ThorOdinson View Post
      Have to laugh. Early 70's my partner and I were real outsiders because we carried S&W 39's in 9mm. Next city the chief hated 39's and worked to have them replaced with S&W 19's. Half the story was to have same ammo as every other cop.
      Now my old PD carries just about everything except a revolver. 9's, 40's, 45's. Can't find a Mod 39 anywhere. Like a 1911 in 45 myself but a brother carries a S&W in 10mm. Hard to find any ammo in 10mm so we reload.
      Georgia Arms has GREAT prices on 10mm defense loads (+p hollowpoints to be exact).

      And to stay on topic with this thread I should probably mention I've noticed a lot more LEs lately with Sigs rather than Glocks.

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      Im in the Washington DC area and here MPD(dc police dept) carry Glocks. MD state police just got the Beretta P-4 storm in .40cal. Pg county are using 92-F Berettas amd the United States Park police are using Heckler Kochs p2000 in .40cal or P7 in 9mm.

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