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      All of the LEOs around Kansas and Kansas City, MO that I've seen have Glocks. Whenever we fly into little po-dunk towns, LEOs often stop by the plane to chat and every one has had a Glock. Even the ambulance drivers/security guards at the local hospital in Wichita have Glocks, although one older guy has a larger revolver.

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      Orlando PD Glock
      Orange Cty Sher. Glock
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      The US Military Beretta

      It would be interesting to know what the actul number of Berettas in service is, vs the number of Glocks.

      I'm guessing there are more cops than foot soldiers with a US flag on their shoulder. And with 70+% of departments issuing Glocks... it would be a pretty tight race.

      Internationally???? who knows.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
      I'm guessing there are more cops than foot soldiers with a US flag on their shoulder. And with 70+% of departments issuing Glocks... it would be a pretty tight race.
      The initial M9 contract called for, I believe, 320,000 pistols for all services. There have been some follow-on purchases of at least 10,000 each. Of course, a lot of these guns are held in the big TRADOC posts where the Army supposedly conducts pistol "training," and aren't issued to any particular warfighter.

      I see lots of M9s here, but mainly they are secondary weapons. However, all MP and most SECFOR units issue all their soldiers pistols, invariably the M9.

      The M9 works fine, being robust and reliable, but it certainly wasn't designed by a shooter. But the military has a history of buying guns not completely suitable to its actual needs. Look at the M16A2.
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      Sigs here mostly

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      austria (GLOCK)sold 288,132 pistols in 2005
      that is more than S&W and Ruger pistols COMBINED
      data from "shooting industry"

      S&W 158,601
      ruger 125,057

      also Glock has a marketing program for LE - after 3 years turn it in for $300and get a new Glock for the difference

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      Sig got a new Homeland Security contract for 65,000 guns...
      http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...h_SIG,,00.html

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      Well, glock gives a significant discount to military and LE. So I would assume that Glock is pretty happy with their sales to both. I would have to vote Glock.

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      Where I live I see alot of old S&W semi-autos. VA. state police Use SIGs. with the 357sig round.

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      Virginia State Police - Sig 229
      Hanover County- Sig 220
      Henrico County- Glock 23

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      I have always been quite content when LEO's refrained from making me aware of the brand and caliber Pistol/Revolver they were carrying. I will therefor not respond with an inteligent answer to this question. I am merely auditing the course.


      When do we get to see the certified answer to this question?


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      Glock is Borg; resistance is futile.

      Glock claims about 65% of the US LE market. Don't know if that means by officer or agency. IIRC, there are about 750,000 cops in the USA. City, county, and state here issue Glocks in 9/40/357. State is switching to S&W M&P357, and city is thinking about switching to M&P9.

      About 85,000 armed US federal agents. Largest fed contract was the DHS contract in 2004. Up to 65,000 pistols over 5 yrs w SIG and HK getting options. So far ICE and USCG have bought new SIGs, CBP has bought new HKs. FBI/DEA/USMS issue Glocks. USSS/FAM/FPS/BATF issue SIGs.

      Surveys of holster makers show Glock and SIG in the lead for holster sales to US LE. Beretta 92/96 fading fast, M&P moving up fast. Ammo company surveys show sales ranks as follows: 40S&W, 9x19, 45ACP, 357SIG, 38 Special. The 357 Mag and 10mm are barely blips on the screen and fading, the 45 GAP moving up.

      Total Berettas bought to date w original and follow on M9 contracts is over 500,000. Last contract was in 2005 for up to 70,000 more over 5 yrs (2005 - 2010). There is other stuff in use. Army's AWG bought Glock 19s, SFOD-D bought Glock 22s, USN SEALS bought SIGs, SOCOM bought HKs, USMC some new 1911s, but even more new M9A1s (M9 w frame rail for light)... We have also bought pistols for our allies in the war on terror. So far about 5,000 Rugers, 5,000 sig pros, 72,000 Sigmas, and 120,000 Glocks.

      Internationally Glock does very well, but there have been some big contracts that got away from them. French Gendarmerie bought over 200,000 sig pros, Poland about 100,000 Walther P99s, the German army and several federal police agencies have bought more HKs and SIGs than Glocks. OTOH, some Swiss cops are issued Glocks...

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      The Mississippi DWFP switched recently from Glock .45 to .40's. Not sure why the change in caliber.

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      With the exception of special forces units, Military pistols are backup weapons. The primary infantry weapon is a rifle. After passing a requirements list, military pistol contracts are awarded on the basis of price and politics (ie. who's district the factory is in).

      The average cop on the street will draw his pistol in anger only a handful of times in his career. He'll qualify and handle his pistol safer than a civilian, but I wouldn't say he's a pro. Price and politics determines which gun he uses. Glock is the most aggressive marketer in the LE arena. They have generous trade in allowances that have reduced purchase price dramatically for many departments.

      I would consider pistol 'pros' shooters able to select their weapons based on needs rather than mass government contract: special forces and SWAT units. But their numbers are small and if you are lucky (and they are doing their job), you will rarely see them.

      Much is made of HK Mk 23 and P226 as a special forces pistols. But in real life, pistol selection is mission specific. If you are incountry under non-official cover, you'll more than likely use indigenous weapons. Similarly if you are an undercover cop, the last thing you want to handle is local LE std.issue.

      The guys I know in SWAT units pretty much stick to 1911s.

      LAPD SWAT and Special Investigation Section uses Kimber 1911s
      FBI SWAT uses Springfield 1911 (serial #s starting with FBI)

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      Quote Originally Posted by BrokenArrow View Post
      Surveys of holster makers show Glock and SIG in the lead for holster sales to US LE. Beretta 92/96 fading fast, M&P moving up fast.
      Yeah, I think that's a pretty good general assessment (I work for a holster company back in the real world).

      Total Berettas bought to date w original and follow on M9 contracts is over 500,000. Last contract was in 2005 for up to 70,000 more over 5 yrs (2005 - 2010).
      I'd love to know where all those M9s are hiding. We don't have enough for all our guys here. I am sure the Stateside TRADOC posts all have plenty.

      Not disputing the numbers, though.
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      Hello from Portugal.
      Here the LE agencies are switching from walther PP 7,65 and walther p 38to glock 19 with a total number of 50.000 handguns.
      The portuguese army still stands with the old walther P 38.

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      I've read more than one gun review recently that said the same thing about the nice situation pistol consumers are in because the military hinted at opening the door for a new model.. SOCOM trials or something like that, that I won't claim to know really anything about.. But just the hinting of new trials for the industry has apparently caused a big surge in all these new high-quality offerings.. Several Kimbers, the FNP-45 comes to mind, a Sig I saw somewhere... Might have been the P220 Combat (nice!).. etc etc

      So I guess regardless the direction a buyer takes, the current situation allows a LOT of quality choices.

      Ok.. googled that Sig.. Here's a lengthy vid, but explains the SOCOM program that didn't happen and what happened for consumers as result... Eh, thought I'd try to contribute since I'm no real glock fan.

      http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?t...nnel=429149807

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      Glock. Love it or hate it, Glock dominates the US LE market. Since there are several times as many LE users in the US than military users, Glock beats our Beretta.

      Int'l I'm not sure. Though as I travel abroad I sure see a lot of Glocks. Heavy, if not exclusive, use in the UK. Not sure about Canada, perhaps someone could chime in. I assume Germans use the HK since they use MP-5's as their issue SMG for LE, airport, border, etc.

      There is a reason why Glock has dominant market share, but that's another thread.......

      Despite being a 1911 guy myself, in terms of LE/military market share, it's not even close.

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      The police here in Denmark have recently upgraded from their old 7.65mm Walther PP's to the H&K P8.

      The armed forces are still using the SIG P-210, though I've heard rumours that they may be replaced.

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      I've seen a couple of references to the use of the HK pistol being used by SOCOM. I'm ex-military but still have several friends in SF and the SOC comunity. This pistol is big, bulky and seldom used except for specific missions. Most guys would rather carry an MP5 or another SMG instead of it. It is true though that they would like to go back to the .45. The only members that don't have an opinion are the ones that aren't really "gun" guys....medic, eod, com guys. Even though trained to be able to take anothers job...the gun guys know each other and we stayed current in the use of what is available.
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      Being a retired LEO in NYC and now a LEO in Florida my personal observation has been 99% Glocks. When we (NYC) first switched to semi's in the 80's we had a choice of Glock, Smith, or Sig. Most found the Smith's too heavy, many chose the Sig because it was more expensive, but free to us, and finally the rest Glock.
      The original Sig's rusted so badly at first that they were removed from service and returned. Our only choice was Glock or Smith. I never remember anyone I knew carrying a Smith except an oldtime Sgt, who like me, was use to carrying a S&W model 10.
      Here in Fl, I worked with more than a few Dept's and have never seen anything other than a Glock service weapon.

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