I think the HK USPs (and/or the USP Compacts) should be on that list.

Originally Posted by waterburybob

I think the HK USPs (and/or the USP Compacts) should be on that list.

There will always be a few that is forgotten. There are so many. Steyr, Taurus, etc.

Originally Posted by waterburybob

I think the HK USPs (and/or the USP Compacts) should be on that list.

The selection are real world pistols for real world folk....H&K, as well as the Sig line are not civilian friendly companies, nor do they market pistols that are realistically priced, nor any more reliable than the ones on the poll. The poll is a sampling of pistols that may be used by military and law enforcement, but also are not cost prohibitive for the average Wyatt Earp.

Walther

Originally Posted by Mdnitedrftr

Walther

It is Ship.

I went with the XD because it is the only one out of that bunch that I have shot. It was a 45XD and it will get the job done for sure. Well balanced and recoil was about the same as a 1911 only it felt a little higher in the hand. Two handed it would come back on target as good as a 1911. I liked it.

I'll vote HK as well. I don't quite understand the 'real world' comments but thats fine, not my poll.

Of the ones listed I have the most experience with the Glock, and my HK beats the socks off them.....LOL!!!

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

It is Ship.

none of the above

Originally Posted by tony pasley

none of the above

contribution to this thread....very informative.

Another vote for H&K USPc here.
And the Smith & Wesson M&P as an option of lesser cost.

Hey Dustoff, They are talking you are just not listening.
When you ask a fair question, and then you do not want to hear what people have to say just because it falls outside of your preconceived notions, what are you really gaining?

Dorian

Vote for HK

Originally Posted by Dorian

Another vote for H&K USPc here.
And the Smith & Wesson M&P as an option of lesser cost.

Hey Dustoff, They are talking you are just not listening.
When you ask a fair question, and then you do not want to hear what people have to say just because it falls outside of your preconceived notions, what are you really gaining?

Dorian

First off, the sampling of 5 pistols represents the brands MOST used by Law enforcement and the Military....foreign and domestic. Secondly, the question asked was simple....which of the listed are your faves. Thirdly, there is nothing preconceived here...if anything, any other responses fall outside the parameters of the poll. Fourth, and last, H&K and Sig represent a miniscule percentage insofar as use by the aforementioned agencies...and I suspect, due to their high cost; and they are not the most consumer friendly companies to deal with....there are too many manufacturwers to list, and I chose the top 5 MOST represented in the civilian, Law enforcement, and militray arenas. Now, if you find all this too confusing, then it's on you.

I have shot most of the guns listed in the poll and even put a box through an H&K, but I still prefer my XD-45. Ergonomics, accuracy, dependability, size and weight are the determining factors for me. This is just my personal opinion, that comes from practical experience. I shoot a lot, probably more than most folks even think of. My XD-45 makes that shooting fun and interesting.

The question asked what I thought was the best of the bunch for plastic, and for me it is the H&K USP series. As far as a sampling of pistols that may be used by law enforcement or military since when did the Walther, Springfield XD or Kahr outsell H&K or Sig?

Like a few of the others, at one time or the other , I have fired all the weapons listed and the HK-SIGMA-Walther --the XD wins out. I have kept most of my GLOCKS and like them but when the XD45ACP was introduced , it put a new ball game for the others to come up to. Simple, easy and goes bang.

Ron

Originally Posted by hberttmank

The question asked what I thought was the best of the bunch for plastic, and for me it is the H&K USP series. As far as a sampling of pistols that may be used by law enforcement or military since when did the Walther, Springfield XD or Kahr outsell H&K or Sig?

....the poll suggests who outsells who. In fact, I didn't ask that question. If you do a carefull search, you will find the pistols in the poll in the hands of more of the mentioned agencies than H&K and Sig...cost being one reason. No mention that Sig or H&K are inferior pistols...what is signficant is that if in fact Sig and H&K outsell all the others, then I suspect these pistols (and I see it on the ranges all the time) are in the hands of a boat load of posers, wannabees, and those who simply don't wince at the prices these guys sell for.

Wow, check it out guys. If you own a HK or a Sig you're a wannabe and a poser!!!! Gimmie a break.

A lot of our leo's in Indiana carry SIG...........hummmm

Originally Posted by jwkimber45

Wow, check it out guys. If you own a HK or a Sig you're a wannabe and a poser!!!! Gimmie a break.

A lot of our leo's in Indiana carry SIG...........hummmm

in Indiana....bet you don't have 40+ thousand LEO's carrying a Sig in Indy....I'm not sure there are 40+ thousand LEOs in Indiana....there are 40,000+ NYPD LEO's carrying Kahrs......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. So try to keep the thread on track jw....all you are saying is really nothing...NYPD went with Kahr because it met their specs, and cost requirement.....so I'll give ya' a break....for now.

Really? I have NEVER seen a LEO carry Kahr. In my county there is mostly Glock except for two agencies that carry ether SIG or HK. I would suggest not attacking people who want two of the biggest makers in firearms to be contributed in the list. HK is used by both civ, LE, and our government. So is Sig. Just my thought…

You should take a look at CDNN. Sigs for around $500 and HK's around $600-700
Way to expensive for civilians...just like 1911's right?

Originally Posted by -gunut-

Really? I have NEVER seen a LEO carry Kahr. In my county there is mostly Glock except for two agencies that carry ether SIG or HK. I would suggest not attacking people who want two of the biggest makers in firearms to be contributed in the list. HK is used by both civ, LE, and our government. So is Sig. Just my thought…

You should take a look at CDNN. Sigs for around $500 and HK's around $600-700
Way to expensive for civilians...just like 1911's right?

....in New York City, you would have noticed the Kahr's....so far, I fail to see an attack on anyone....my perspective here in Virginia is from a former LEO and military officer perspective, and the group that I meet with on a regular basis, who happen to be a mix bag of former and active duty LEO's, Navy SEALs, etc....with very few exceptions, Sig and H&K are not on their wish lists, nor what they use on our ranges from Virginia Beach to Blackwater...the SEALs have and some still do use Sigs and H&K's, but it is not the weapon of choice, as some would have you to believe. Yes, there are a whole lot of never served in the military and law enforcement who carry YOUR favorite brands....to me, that says poser....if you take it personally, oh well.

I really do not find this confusing at all.

But I do find it interesting that your question has now changed.

You first post states.
“There are a number of excellent polycarbonate pistols, on the market and I would like to know what the forum feels is the best of the bunch...post away amigos”

You now state that what you wanted to ask was.
”....which of the listed are your faves”

So in fact you don’t want to know which of the polycarbonate pistols on the market what the forum feels is the best of the bunch.
You just want to know which of your poll choices is the better of the bunch.
I’m fine with that. It just is not what you asked for originally.

Nor do you choices of poll pistols truly reflect what you are after, you state that.
“The poll is a sampling of pistols that may be used by military and law enforcement, but also are not cost prohibitive for the average”
And you further state that
“the sampling of 5 pistols represents the brands MOST used by Law enforcement and the Military....foreign and domestic”

I personally don’t know of any military or law enforcement agency that currently issues the Polycarbonate offerings of Springfield, Walther, Berretta, Kahr. But I do know of many that use the metal frames models from some of these maufactures.

But I do not clam to know what the entire world is issuing for duty weapons these days. However I do have eyes & can look around just like every one else here. What I see is that the several of the manufactures you listed as “MOST used by Law enforcement and the Military” Are in fact not using the polycarbonate models of their pistols.

I also find it humorous that you state that.
“H&K and Sig represent a miniscule percentage insofar as use by the aforementioned agencies”

When in fact these two companies were recently issued one of the largest small arms contracts ever to supply weapons to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

there is nothing preconceived here...if anything, any other responses fall outside the parameters of the poll.

Dorian

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

....in New York City, you would have noticed the Kahr's....so far, I fail to see an attack on anyone....my perspective here in Virginia is from a former LEO and military officer perspective, and the group that I meet with on a regular basis, who happen to be a mix bag of former and active duty LEO's, Navy SEALs, etc....with very few exceptions, Sig and H&K are not on their wish lists, nor what they use on our ranges from Virginia Beach to Blackwater...the SEALs have and some still do use Sigs and H&K's, but it is not the weapon of choice, as some would have you to believe. Yes, there are a whole lot of never served in the military and law enforcement who carry YOUR favorite brands....to me, that says poser....if you take it personally, oh well.

How the hell is owning a sig or HK make you a poser?

Originally Posted by Dorian

I also find it humorous that you state that.
“H&K and Sig represent a miniscule percentage insofar as use by the aforementioned agencies”

When in fact these two companies were recently issued one of the largest small arms contracts ever to supply weapons to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

there is nothing preconceived here...if anything, any other responses fall outside the parameters of the poll.

Dorian

You mean this?

http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=779

I think that it is safe to say


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