If that's the case, where's Ruger? Their P95 is used by mechanized infantry divisions, and I've seen other P-series on LEO's hips. They are quite simply, and pun intended, the best bang for the buck. Now I'm not the biggest fan of their newer designs (the P345 and SR9) but once grips and other accessories designed for these guns become commonplace I bet I can make a 345 feel at home in my hand. And it's nice that the MD is removeable.The selection are real world pistols for real world folk....H&K, as well as the Sig line are not civilian friendly companies, nor do they market pistols that are realistically priced, nor any more reliable than the ones on the poll. The poll is a sampling of pistols that may be used by military and law enforcement, but also are not cost prohibitive for the average Wyatt Earp.
I think the confusion here comes from Army Tank-Automotive and Armament Command (TACOM) purchasing these pistols. TACOM is just the procurement arm of the Army. People see "Tank Command" and assume it's the higher HQ for our armor guys, but it's not. TACOM procures all the weapons for the Army, including those that are given to our allies. Those given to allies have included Sigmas, Ruger P95s and Glock 19s, and allies include indigenous forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those P95s went directly to Baghdad for issue to the Iraqi police.
I'm not real big on "Tupperware guns" personally but have had a few over the years. I have a Browning Pro 40 at the moment and it is a nice shooting pistol. Most all I've had were though. I'd more than likely lean to the XD being I'm a huge Springer fan to begin with.
Wow..I had posted here earlier..Dang old timers syndrome
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I left NYPD last year and we all had Glocks, not Kahrs. Did it change in the last 12 month?
As I understand it, NYPD has a list of authorized pistols that includes S&W, SIG and Glock. (I find this shockingly enlightened for a large department.) My friend in the unit here reports that Kahr pistols were authorized for off-duty carry, but were removed from the list fairly recently due to reliability problems among some officers.
I voted for the Glock but I also have a Kahr CW9 for CCW that I am very fond of. The XD is a nice gun and I tried to talk myself into one when I bought my G19, but I just really liked the Glock. All of the guns listed, as well as the H&K and Sig, are great guns. Guns, like anything else, fit some people better than others. This is the reason that there are so many different makes and models. Police agencies often but particular pistols or ammo because of the deal that they are able to get at the time. I think that every individual needs to research all the different choices, go hold them all, shoot them all (if possible) and then make your own choice based on what works best for you. Ridiculing someone else for having a opinion different than yours is really immature and shows a close-minded attitude that does not foster further learning or growth. Just my opinion!
nice, I love that little gun too. I love my XD. A Walther P22 and an XD9SC will be my next two guns. I need a better job.
I don't have any plastic pistols. I do, however, have 4 polymer pistols in my collection, and I like them just as well as the other 20 guns.
I actually registered just so I could post to this thread ... and ultimately enjoy the rest of the forums.
I have to agree with others here ... that HK should be on this list. Regardless of how many are being used by LEO or military, the Polymer pistol trend owes a lot to HK.
And about your poser comment: I'm a total "poser" I guess, because my very first gun was an HK P30. Not because I wanted to be a bad-ass (actually I didn't even know about HK when I bought it, was looking at a Beretta 92, Sig P226 or Glock 17), but because it felt the BEST in my hands ... period. And my rule of thumb, as with others that have owned guns and the gun shop manager was this: "get what fits you best, if you aren't comfortable with it, you won't shoot it well."
The P30 is hands down one of the best 9mm's on the market, maybe even made (only time will tell). I'm not just saying this because I own one, others are saying the same thing (even Sig owners).
I also own an HK USP-fullsize .40 in OD Green frame and an HK USP Expert .40.
To me a poser is someone who buys something (gun, skateboard, fancy golf clubs you name it) and doesn't take the time to learn how to use it.
I personally go to the range almost every weekend. So I'm not a poser because I shoot an HK. But maybe the guy down the street is who owns a Glock because the police own them, therefore he thinks they are the best... but he doesn't know because he doesn't really shoot it. That sir, is a poser.
I'm kinda partial to the Tanfoglio/EAA models. but, I guess that's not an option....
I only voted for the XD because EAA Witness Compact wasn't a choice. I own both, but, prefer the Witness.
I voted for XD because:
- I'm very accurate with them
- Fits well in my hand
- I like the trigger pull
- It kind of handles like my 1911
- It's fast
There are other polymers I enjoy but, XDs are my choice